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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Nicholls would make for an excellent water boy in the IPL. Its the only thing he can probably do quickly.
It's interesting this perspective, because Nicholls was picked for NZ in whites on the basis of a slapdash 160 odd against Sri Lanka A off (from memory) as many balls. But he changed his game over time to become effective. Also worth remembering he debuted in ODIs first, before Tests, because his List A record is outstanding, and he absolutely killed it in the year he got picked for NZ first.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
It's interesting this perspective, because Nicholls was picked for NZ in whites on the basis of a slapdash 160 odd against Sri Lanka A off (from memory) as many balls. But he changed his game over time to become effective. Also worth remembering he debuted in ODIs first, before Tests, because his List A record is outstanding, and he absolutely killed it in the year he got picked for NZ first.
oh no
 

RMBolton

U19 Debutant
Heard from someone today that the main stumbling block behind picking Boult and the like was DWhite.

Be interesting to see how it goes with picking those who want to play in T20 leagues, and those in NZ who may play more T20 leagues if they can do a little coming and going.

I still favour an Australian rugby type rule.

Maybe something like if you’ve played 50 tests, then you can request sabbaticals to go overseas for x amount of time.

That way, Henry Nicholls may get to go make his IPL millions.
Boult is on a Casual Agreement, which presumably covers the WC (& hopefully the Australia Tests), & in any case the line had always been consistent on him playing "pinnacle events" (if the CWC isn't one, what is?).

I still think NZC's current policy regarding T20 leagues is the fairest compromise available:
  • Full availability for the IPL
  • Availability for "off-season" comps (Blast/county, MLC, LPL, The Hundred), subject to tours
  • Barred from playing leagues that clash with the home season (BBL, BPL, SA20, ILT20, PSL)
The alternative to this is NZ being strip-mined by franchise leagues, with the standard of our domestic game going down fast.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Boult is on a Casual Agreement, which presumably covers the WC (& hopefully the Australia Tests), & in any case the line had always been consistent on him playing "pinnacle events" (if the CWC isn't one, what is?).

I still think NZC's current policy regarding T20 leagues is the fairest compromise available:
  • Full availability for the IPL
  • Availability for "off-season" comps (Blast/county, MLC, LPL, The Hundred), subject to tours
  • Barred from playing leagues that clash with the home season (BBL, BPL, SA20, ILT20, PSL)
The alternative to this is NZ being strip-mined by franchise leagues, with the standard of our domestic game going down fast.
Doubt boult plays the Aussie tests. NZ had an injury crisis last summer vs ENG while boult was staying ~5 miles from the ground and they decided to play Scotty K over asking boult.
 

RMBolton

U19 Debutant
Doubt boult plays the Aussie tests. NZ had an injury crisis last summer vs ENG while boult was staying ~5 miles from the ground and they decided to play Scotty K over asking boult.
I still don't understand that selection. I would not have selected Boult last summer because it was an opportunity to try out different players & test depth (I would've just put Duffy into the XI at Bay Oval, even if having him debut against BazBall would've been a baptism of fire). However, a Test series against Australia isn't one that should be subjected to experiments - like the South Africa Tests, the Best Available XI should play. He's said he wants to play Tests, & if a contract is an issue, his Casual Agreement is there; hopefully it covers more than just the WC.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Doubt boult plays the Aussie tests. NZ had an injury crisis last summer vs ENG while boult was staying ~5 miles from the ground and they decided to play Scotty K over asking boult.
Yeah,I don't think that's relevant now. Boult had handed back the contract at that time and now has one (albeit casual). There's water under the bridge, David White is gone, if Boult is not involved in franchise tournaments he'll likely play. He's been widely quoted as saying Tests are the pinnacle and he'll want in v Australia
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah,I don't think that's relevant now. Boult had handed back the contract at that time and now has one (albeit casual). There's water under the bridge, David White is gone, if Boult is not involved in franchise tournaments he'll likely play. He's been widely quoted as saying Tests are the pinnacle and he'll want in v Australia
Wait he's back on a contract now? Didn't realise his situation with NZC had changed.
 

RMBolton

U19 Debutant
Wait he's back on a contract now? Didn't realise his situation with NZC had changed.
When they handed out the central contracts, they offered him a Casual Agreement, I guess to cover him financially when he does play for NZ. From memory, it's a smaller retainer but the same match fees. It definitely covers the WC campaign, & beyond that it's not so clear.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Wait he's back on a contract now? Didn't realise his situation with NZC had changed.
Sorry, contract probably isn't the right word. I think it's casual agreement or some such, it probably doesn't have any legal binding (not that his, nor Gup's, nor CdG's, nor Jimmy's particularly did last season, either...). Or maybe it does. I dunno. But it is 'something', I guess.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Sorry, contract probably isn't the right word. I think it's casual agreement or some such, it probably doesn't have any legal binding (not that his, nor Gup's, nor CdG's, nor Jimmy's particularly did last season, either...). Or maybe it does. I dunno. But it is 'something', I guess.
Wait is the agreement the "I'll selectively choose the games I wanna play for NZ; if I have franchise commitments that comes first" one he had? Thought that was around when the selectors didn't approach him for the SA tests.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Wait is the agreement the "I'll selectively choose the games I wanna play for NZ; if I have franchise commitments that comes first" one he had? Thought that was around when the selectors didn't approach him for the SA tests.
Yeah...that's how I read it. But I think there's been very little clarity about what this casual agreement means, and very little energy from the media to get it cleared up. I would be surprised, and it would be pretty unprofessional if NZC and Boult hadn't already hashed out which series' he is going to be available for. I CBF looking up what clashes and what doesn't, but that should have been done. I just hope we don't get him for the World Cup and some random T20 series' no one gives a **** about.

Is he going to be able to handle test match cricket? He hasn’t bowled more than four overs in a day for a long time now.
I reckon so. Supremely fit guy, hardly injured, he'll be able to handle it.
 

RMBolton

U19 Debutant
Depending on the ILT20 schedule (assuming he plays it), it's assumed he'll miss the SA Tests (as will much of the 1st-choice Proteas; I wouldn't be surprised to see Dean Elgar's SA20 Rejects come over here). If he does make an appearance next summer, it'll probably be just the Australia Tests & maybe the T20s, which'll be treated as a dress rehearsal for the T20WC (assuming he commits to that campaign).
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I reckon so. Supremely fit guy, hardly injured, he'll be able to handle it.
Yeah, he's only been semi-retired from tests for a year, and he'll have the entire world cup to ease himself back into a heavier workload. He'll be fine.
 

The Hutt Rec

International Vice-Captain
Yeah, he's only been semi-retired from tests for a year, and he'll have the entire world cup to ease himself back into a heavier workload. He'll be fine.
And yet I seem to recall him coming in underdone the last time we had a test series against Australia, taking 1 for 121, and breaking down again.

Well it was a broken hand, but still, he didn’t bowl well.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
1) That was in Australia where swing bowlers go to die.
2) He was recovering from injury which is very different to playing a bunch of highly competitive limited overs cricket. Boult's come back from the IPL on very short notice and produced strong performances on several occasions.
 

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