Fuller Pilch
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Which Kohli?
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Eng & Aus Docked Slow Over Rate Points 2023-2025 cycle
- Thread starter G. S. Kohli
- Start date
Line and Length
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Yet Australia bowled at roughly the same slow over rate but receive lesser sanctions because England's innings are often shorter than 80 overs.
Son Of Coco
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Sounds like England needs less 'BazBall' and more 'BazBowl', amirite?
Fuller Pilch
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If fielding sides want to avoid over rate penalties perhaps don't spend too long taking your old bowlers off the field to get a rest, and stop wasting time harrassing the umps to change the ball.
Coronis
International Coach
Thats the team’s fault for picking players who can’t bowl the required amount during the game.
"Suddenly now"...?
Been watching cricket for 30 years and this has been an issue for at least all that length of time
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
But it's not though is it? It favours teams who play in spin friendly conditions. Are the ICC just guaranteeing they get India in every WTC Final? Which is ironic, becuase following straight after the IPL, you get the impression the Indian players have no interest in being there.
TheJediBrah
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Just makes a joke of the competition
The authorities have spent decades trying to fix this yet the situation gets worse. They fined captains but the financial punishment was never severe enough, then they suspended players but that just deprived fans of seeing the players they pay to see. This points punishment only means anything if teams consider the WTC more important than winning individual series and that's clearly not going to be the case for the Ashes and probably not for many other series. However, if the ICC wants to make the WTC important it can't end up with the best teams missing out because of points deductions.
Why can't more effort be spent on actually tackling delays in game? Have a timer per delivery and then no ball the bowler if it goes over.
Why can't more effort be spent on actually tackling delays in game? Have a timer per delivery and then no ball the bowler if it goes over.
Line and Length
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I see Pat Cummins has spoken about the issue and indicates it is necessary for captains to talk to bowlers about what is required when bowling to specific batters.
This point is particularly relevant when left and right handers are in partnership.
This point is particularly relevant when left and right handers are in partnership.
If you play more tests in each series then you can be docked more points because it's based on the absolute number of overs lost rather than any percentage. Losing 19 points over a 5 test series means an average of ~4 overs behind each test, while to lose the same number of points from a two test series require being ~10 overs behind each test.
Molehill
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Making a percentage points penalty would make more sense. But it's still daft. You don't decide Football Leagues by the length of time it takes to take a throw in.
Daemon
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Ffs i was joking and using english fans arguments for the boundary countback against them
shortpitched713
International Captain
Australia went really slow. England went really, really slow. Both teams were doing this in an effort to alter and effect the course and outcomes of the matches, in an unfair and unsporting way.
It's only fair that such action be punished, the same as players get punished for dissent or other on-field infractions.
shortpitched713
International Captain
In a strange sort of way that is the implication. It's as if Australia won the series with a result something like 1-0, in a poorly played series. Seems about right as a result for them cheating poms.
Howe_zat
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I get what you're doing but neither of these things are true.
It's not the same for all teams for a bunch of reasons. Obviously the ratio of seamers to spinners plays a role first. Then you have the wildly different reasons teams might be slowing the over rate.
Another minor point is that it could also be something to do with the arseload of exceptions around the count like injuries, rain delays, umpires checking for bad light and the other dozen ones. If you have a lot of these, how is it being timed? Is it being timed consistently? How much of it exactly is the bowling team's fault? I'm sure the same people who buggered up which ball is which age in this test never make a mistake with it. And this isn't the same for both teams because all these things are more likely to happen in countries with interruptions and in long series. And there's no way to know what the deal is beforehand. Most people here would have had no idea England were going to get pinged nearly twice as hard as Australia. The most common complaint I saw about over rates was the third day at the Oval where England were batting all day.
And this is before you get to the kind of slowing tactics the batting team can use which if you've ever seen the Cardiff 2009 test you know are considerable.
But the major point is consider this - the over rates are always crazy slow at the back end of a one-day innings... but only if it's close. It might be because they're deliberately wasting time, but it might be because they're trying to be active in the game and playing with a real intesisty at all times with fielding changes and actually trying to get the batsmen out.
A slow over rate could be time-wasting, or it could be a symptom of high-energy, intense Test cricket. Most people can tell the difference and will get aggrieved when they see it. In this series, England did a lot more of the latter, and are being punished for it. That's where the whole part-timers argument comes from. Putting over rates as the most important thing a bowling side can do correctly actively goes against any experience of engaging with Tests properly.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
I personally think the punishment is excessive but i'm gloating seeing the Aus and Eng posters seethe.
