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Better white ball bowler: Mitchell Starc or Glenn McGrath

Better white ball bowler

  • Glenn McGrath

    Votes: 25 65.8%

  • Mitchell Starc

    Votes: 13 34.2%
  • Total voters
    38
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Vincent

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Fuller Pilch said:
No, he's not. Hazlewood has only played 68 ODIs in the last 10 years.

Top 5

1 Starc
2 Boult
3 Bumrah
4 Rashid Khan
5 The Fizz

Hazlewood is battling with Shakib, Adil Rashid, Shami, and Henry for 6th.
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Starc's just a good bowler. Nothing else.
 
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loterry1994

International Debutant
Starc nearly won two world cups for Aus. His fallen off a bit but he worries the top order and tail more there isn’t much better new ball bowlers than him in an odi
 
Silver Silva

Silver Silva

International Regular
McGrath just had this intimidating persona , that whole Aussie team did ..A lot of the time you felt the match was already lost , he just destroyed top orders.
 
Saket1209

Saket1209

State Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
Starc is overrated a bit. McGrath is the best.
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He is not at all overrated. He is a beast. Fastest to 200 wickets, 9fifers in just 110 games or so. If we have more ODI now, he would have already crossed 300 wickets landmark. He was the highest wicket taker in both the world cup and won the world cup for Aus. Has 3 fifers in world cup. He is underrated a bit and always criticized for leaking runs but never appreciated for striking at 25 which is Insane. Both Mcgrath and Starc are on par. I think odi cricket has changed a lot and if Mcgrath played in todays era he would have also been bashed. His death bowling is still a question, he was not someone like wasim or garner with yorkers. I think in today's era he would have more like cummins in odi, good accurate with new ball and mediocre with old ball.
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Saket1209 said:
He is not at all overrated. He is a beast. Fastest to 200 wickets, 9fifers in just 110 games or so. If we have more ODI now, he would have already crossed 300 wickets landmark. He was the highest wicket taker in both the world cup and won the world cup for Aus. Has 3 fifers in world cup. He is underrated a bit and always criticized for leaking runs but never appreciated for striking at 25 which is Insane. Both Mcgrath and Starc are on par. I think odi cricket has changed a lot and if Mcgrath played in todays era he would have also been bashed. His death bowling is still a question, he was not someone like wasim or garner with yorkers. I think in today's era he would have more like cummins in odi, good accurate with new ball and mediocre with old ball.
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Also couldn't bat @Prince EWS
 
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number11

State Regular
Fuller Pilch said:
No, he's not. Hazlewood has only played 68 ODIs in the last 10 years.

Top 5

1 Starc
2 Boult
3 Bumrah
4 Rashid Khan
5 The Fizz

Hazlewood is battling with Shakib, Adil Rashid, Shami, and Henry for 6th.
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Fizz is a nothing bowler. He had some x factor when he started but he's 120k lollipop trash.
 
S

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Saket1209 said:
He is not at all overrated. He is a beast. Fastest to 200 wickets, 9fifers in just 110 games or so. If we have more ODI now, he would have already crossed 300 wickets landmark. He was the highest wicket taker in both the world cup and won the world cup for Aus. Has 3 fifers in world cup. He is underrated a bit and always criticized for leaking runs but never appreciated for striking at 25 which is Insane. Both Mcgrath and Starc are on par. I think odi cricket has changed a lot and if Mcgrath played in todays era he would have also been bashed. His death bowling is still a question, he was not someone like wasim or garner with yorkers. I think in today's era he would have more like cummins in odi, good accurate with new ball and mediocre with old ball.
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He averages high against SA, Eng and India, three of the best LOI teams. He bullies lesser teams plus NZ more but can get spanked against stronger lineups.

McGrath has a virtually perfect record against and in every country. Remarkable. Also ER is far more important in LOI. A guy like McGrath with an excellent ER and SR is gold.
 
Saket1209

Saket1209

State Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
He averages high against SA, Eng and India, three of the best LOI teams. He bullies lesser teams plus NZ more but can get spanked against stronger lineups.

McGrath has a virtually perfect record against and in every country. Remarkable. Also ER is far more important in LOI. A guy like McGrath with an excellent ER and SR is gold.
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An average of 30 against these three nation is more than good in today's era when odi is predominantly a batsman game where 350 isn't a safe score. Plus his average is due to 1 poor series in 2020 against india and a poor 2018 series against Eng. McGrath economy rate is good because at that time 250 score was considered a good score. How many bowlers today has an economy of 5 in odi. Few. So starc economy is good plus his strike rate is the best ever. No one has an economy less than 4.5 in odi cricket so I think starc has done well. Curtly Ambrose and Shaun pollock has er better than mcgrath. That time economy rate of 3.5- 4 was common for great fast bowlers. Plus I don't think In today's era mcgrath would been a good odi bowler. He would been a brilliant test match bowler due to his accuracy and seam but in odi his good length tactics wouldn't have worked.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Saket1209 said:
An average of 30 against these three nation is more than good in today's era when odi is predominantly a batsman game where 350 isn't a safe score. Plus his average is due to 1 poor series in 2020 against india and a poor 2018 series against Eng. McGrath economy rate is good because at that time 250 score was considered a good score. How many bowlers today has an economy of 5 in odi. Few. So starc economy is good plus his strike rate is the best ever. No one has an economy less than 4.5 in odi cricket so I think starc has done well. Curtly Ambrose and Shaun pollock has er better than mcgrath. That time economy rate of 3.5- 4 was common for great fast bowlers. Plus I don't think In today's era mcgrath would been a good odi bowler. He would been a brilliant test match bowler due to his accuracy and seam but in odi his good length tactics wouldn't have worked.
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McGrath played plenty in the 2000s when pitches were flatter and hitting was common but kept his great record.

And I disagree with 30 plus being a sufficient average for Starc. It shows he can't maintain his bowling standards against tougher opposition.
 
Saket1209

Saket1209

State Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
McGrath played plenty in the 2000s when pitches were flatter and hitting was common but kept his great record.

And I disagree with 30 plus being a sufficient average for Starc. It shows he can't maintain his bowling standards against tougher opposition.
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He played before the advent of T20s and cricket totally changed after. Run scoring became a lot quicker with T20s around even in odis. If he was playing in this gen his economy would be same as that of Cummins.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Saket1209 said:
He played before the advent of T20s and cricket totally changed after. Run scoring became a lot quicker with T20s around even in odis. If he was playing in this gen his economy would be same as that of Cummins.
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We don't know how he would have adapted but he is still comfortably ahead of Starc as it is for us to assume he is the greatest of all time
 
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