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Better white ball bowler: Mitchell Starc or Glenn McGrath

Better white ball bowler

  • Glenn McGrath

    Votes: 25 65.8%

  • Mitchell Starc

    Votes: 13 34.2%
  • Total voters
    38
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Silver Line said:
no i’m not mixing up test and odis. I look at years played, not matches played. Otherwise every modern cricketer would be greater than their past counterpart.

warne averaged 21 with the ball in odis (96-08)
a 12 year sample is a huge sample and most bowlers dont even last that long in odis.
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Warne played ODIs from 24.03.1993 to 10.01.2005. I don't see how he played up to 2008. He played a single match in 2005, so basically his career for Australia was done in 2003. From 96-2003 he averages 26.93 with the ball. So your stats are wrong.

and Murali and Warne’s years played are also near identical. Seeing Warne ruling in BBL despite his retirement showed, just like Murali his c was still intact.
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Once again no. Warne played 93-2003. Murali played 93-2011. not similar at all.

that chart by cricinfo you provided, evaluates Face Value averages. If you were a bit considerate and smart, you would know face value averages cannot be taken seriously without the appropriate filteration to highlight the bowlers career properly. Think Voges.
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Once again no. you never cared to read through the text. It takes career length, performance, oppositions, world cups, champion trophies and finals in to account. When we consider players with already completed careers it is a good indication of who was greater than personal opinions.

Or think Imran, where after the age of 36 his bowling stats dipped. Had he stopped playing by 36 which is where most bowlers leave, he would have retired at an ODI bowling average of 23. Something that cricinfo chart doesnt bother considering as like I said, takes face value stats.
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Dipping of stats is part of stats.

as for fifth option. Lol.

pakistan is going in ODIs with an attack of Imran, Shoaib, Waqar, Saqlain, Wasim. Do you really think jayasuriya and Mathews etc is the answer to that?
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Jjayasuriya did hit the bones out of that attack multiple times, so I am not surprised.

australia is going in with Warne, McGrath, Lee, Starc. That lineup alone is enough to not even warrant a ‘but my fifth option is better’ when your other options barring murali will not be equals man to man.
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Problem is they never played together as a unit. Sri Lankan Unit did multiple times.
 
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Silver Line

U19 Debutant
Migara said:
Warne played ODIs from 24.03.1993 to 10.01.2005. I don't see how he played up to 2008. He played a single match in 2005, so basically his career for Australia was done in 2003. From 96-2003 he averages 26.93 with the ball. So your stats are wrong.

Once again no. Warne played 93-2003. Murali played 93-2011. not similar at all.

Once again no. you never cared to read through the text. It takes career length, performance, oppositions, world cups, champion trophies and finals in to account. When we consider players with already completed careers it is a good indication of who was greater than personal opinions.

Dipping of stats is part of stats.

as for fifth option. Lol.

Jjayasuriya did hit the bones out of that attack multiple times, so I am not surprised.

Problem is they never played together as a unit. Sri Lankan Unit did multiple times.
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Apologies for Warne. You are indeed right. I hovered over his test career, (twice!). So sorry.

But like I said previously , I do rate Muralitharan ahead, the gap isnt exactly significant to push the narrative ‘this is why SL is better’. murali during his statistical best years (96-08) w/o Ban and Zim averages 25.8 in ODIs.

saying it again, Murali is indeed the no.1 odi spinner, but the performance skills between Warne and Saqlain, isnt big to warrant advantage to SL. Rather a cancel out.

its like saying Wasim is no.1 and McGrath is no.2 so Pak>Aus. Mate sure they are ranked, but that doesnt mean McGrath doesnt cancel out Wasim.

and SL unit like you said played together multiple times,yet this is the best stats those pacers accumulated? With murali on their side? Thats just axing your own foot here

you think bowlers will forget how to bowl or something rather getting strengthned when paired with another great?

Casually saying dipping of stats is part of stats and putting priority to face value stats, without acknowledging what I just said. amazing mate.
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Fuller Pilch said:
Shoaib e/r 4.76
Oram 4.38
Mills 4.72

He played in an easier (lower scoring) era and was too expensive.

Henry is 5.14 but plays in the highest scoring era of all time.
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Oram and Akhtar played in almost similar era.
Plus Economy is not everything. If it was then Bumrah > Starc
Akhtar average is 4 runs less than Oram.

While Mills and Akhtar are closer Akhtar performance against top teams is better.

Henry has not even player half as matches as Akhtar so i don't think it's a fair comparison
 
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number11

State Regular
Fuller Pilch said:
He was too expensive. My main memory of Shoaib is Ross Taylor destroying him in the 2011 WC.

He wasn't as good as

Hadlee
Bond
Boult
Chatfield
Mills
Henry
Larsen
Oram

imo
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You've made a spectacle of yourself with this jazz. Hadlee and Bond are his equals but the others are not in the same ballpark.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
number11 said:
You've made a spectacle of yourself with this jazz. Hadlee and Bond are his equals but the others are not in the same ballpark.
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Boult is the 2nd or 3rd best of this generation: Starc 1, Boult and Bumrah close for 2 & 3.

Chatfield is ranked 6th in the alltime ODI bowling ratings behind a top 5 of Garner, Hadlee, Pollock, Murali, McGrath
 
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number11

State Regular
Fuller Pilch said:
Boult is the 2nd or 3rd best of this generation: Starc 1, Boult and Bumrah close for 2 & 3.

Chatfield is ranked 6th in the alltime ODI bowling ratings behind a top 5 of Garner, Hadlee, Pollock, Murali, McGrath
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Ok. You are just looking at the rankings etc. Chatfield was a proper trundler. Try to develop some analytical skills.
 
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loterry1994

International Debutant
I went Starc before but also I think you have to take into consideration how the short forms currently set up these days. In my opinion it’s becoming way more suitable for the batters and harder for bowlers to shine. In t20 and Odis the pitches seem way flatter these days, you got those power play fields you have to put out that suits batters more, and most teams stack up their batting way more to like 7 or 8 You rarely see bowlers going under 5 or 6 run economy these days
 
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