Is Sangakara the best bat since Bradman?

[Starfighter]

He only played the best of his era. It stands speculation that if he played more often against lesser players his average would've been higher.

Bullshit. Otherwise his first class average would have been higher than his test average. It wasn't.

Most of the bowlers you list were (or are) well past their best at that age. And your 'option' argument is silly, especially as in the cases of Statham and Trueman they were perceived as no longer being the force they had been. You can disagree about McKenzie but the facts are not on your side. He was no more than good in a weak era for Australian fast bowling.

 

[trundler]

Except the 60s were not a good era for pace bowling. Probably the worst decade post War, in fact. Miandad averaged higher against better bowlers at the same point in his career. And we're not judging Pollock in isolation.

Side note: pace bowlers did not play as long in those days as today. It was partly because of heavier FC workloads and partly because of worse fitness standards so comparing Statham to modern bowlers isn't helpful. The only exception is Trueman. Hall lasted a fair while but averaged over 30 in the 60s.

 

[the big bambino]

Bull****. Otherwise his first class average would have been higher than his test average. It wasn't.

Even Bradman's fc average was less than his test average. And his minor cricket average fewer still, so up yours. Trundler's comment about bowling standards is just opinion and not relevant even if true.

 

[Starfighter]

Even Bradman's fc average was less than his test average. And his minor cricket average fewer still, so up yours. Your follow up comment about bowling standards is just opinion and not relevant even if true.

Every time you revert to this childish standard of arguing when the facts are against you.

 

[trundler]

Even Bradman's fc average was less than his test average. And his minor cricket average fewer still, so up yours. Trundler's comment about bowling standards is just opinion and not relevant even if true.

How isn't it relevant when we're disregarding 90% of Sanga's career where he didn't face ATG pacers and yet rank G Pollock ahead of him when he never faced an ATG pacer to begin with?

 

[the big bambino]

Every time you revert to this childish standard of arguing when the facts are against you.

Are you really this dense or a gaslighter? The way you refer to people's posts with terms like bullshit or calling them stupid is your signature move. How about you address your childish agression? Btw my reference to Bradman's average re the standard of cricket he played is factual and a counter your previous point.

 

[the big bambino]

How isn't it relevant when we're disregarding 90% of Sanga's career where he didn't face ATG pacers and yet rank G Pollock ahead of him when he never faced an ATG pacer to begin with?

I don't think I've downplayed Sanga's career. I think he was a magnificent player no question at all.

 

[Starfighter]

Are you really this dense or a gaslighter? The way you refer to people's posts with terms like bull**** or calling them stupid is your signature move. How about you address your childish agression?

Firstly, look up what gaslighting actually means (you're using it incorrectly). I've observed your posting style enough. Every time contentions come up with the facts against you, you make blank assertions in puerile style. Simply saying something isn't relevant does not, in fact, mean it isn't.

 

[the big bambino]

Firstly, look up what gaslighting actually means (you're using it incorrectly). I've observed your posting style enough. Every time contentions come up with the facts against you, you make blank assertions in puerile style. Simply saying something isn't relevant does not, in fact, mean it isn't.

When you try and make a person question themselves that is gaslighting. So for example you saw something in my post you couldn't answer effectively so just screamed bullshit. That was the first occurrence of aggression between us. That is the reality you are denying.

I then answered your diversion effectively and you said I was being aggressive - for simply pointing out you were wrong.

I think you need to look at your own style. I've seen you call people stupid or dense on many occasions. You're a hypocrite - and since you want to project I'll call you out on it in future.

EDIT. I've also seen you've edited a previous post to make an argument you were to gutless to raise at the time.

 

[ataraxia]

fight harder

 

[trundler]

Don't fight, guys. You're both exceptionally petulant when confronted.

 

[TheJediBrah]

**** i love starfighter

Bambino not bad either

 

[trundler]

**** i love starfighter

Bambino not bad either

CW equivalent of Lockheed Martin endorsing Pride

GS Kohli 2 - 0 Starfighter

 

[TheJediBrah]

Trundler 1 - 69 TJB

 

[Prince EWS]

When you try and make a person question themselves that is gaslighting. So for example you saw something in my post you couldn't answer effectively so just screamed bull****. That was the first occurrence of aggression between us. That is the reality you are denying.

I then answered your diversion effectively and you said I was being aggressive - for simply pointing out you were wrong.

I think you need to look at your own style. I've seen you call people stupid or dense on many occasions. You're a hypocrite - and since you want to project I'll call you out on it in future.

EDIT. I've also seen you've edited a previous post to make an argument you were to gutless to raise at the time.

I think you're both good posters who call out pseudo-profound bullshit here on the regular, which is a vital role.

Not sure a disagreement between you will ever be particularly productive though.

 

[Coronis]

Not for me , Sri Lanka never was considered in the top 3 teams when Sangakkara played and that is reflective how they were treated by the big teams ..
To be the best you have to also be given the opportunity on the biggest stages .Did Sangakkara ever play a 4 match or 5 match series ? When they toured the big teams often it would just be a 2 test series I think , even his record in Australia he did really well but he never played at the WACA , the Gabba , Adelaide, SCG ..The only big stadium he played in OZ was MCG the rest were places like Marara Cricket Oval or in Cairns so the poor bloke never had a chance to be at the best since Bradman level ..Yes on face value its a great test average and record but he didn't have the same opportunities like Lara and Tendulkar to play in big series . And big series define great players .

Jesus this is such an awful post. If Bradman had played for Sri Lanka or say Bangladesh/Zimbabwe would he still not clearly be the greatest batsman of all time? Grow the **** up

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Jesus this is such an awful post. If Bradman had played for Sri Lanka or say Bangladesh/Zimbabwe would he still not clearly be the greatest batsman of all time? Grow the **** up

Yeah I made the same point about the fact that Murali was pretty decent and played for SL.

 

[Prince EWS]

Jesus this is such an awful post. If Bradman had played for Sri Lanka or say Bangladesh/Zimbabwe would he still not clearly be the greatest batsman of all time? Grow the **** up

Yeah I've kind of seen it all here but it made me properly angry to read. It's the sort of thing I used to create as a straw man to defeat other arguments, but here he is saying 'this but unironically'.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Jesus this is such an awful post. If Bradman had played for Sri Lanka or say Bangladesh/Zimbabwe would he still not clearly be the greatest batsman of all time? Grow the **** up

I'm pointing out the fact that Sangakkara wasn't able to play in high profile series like Brian Lara and Tendulkar for example ..If Bradman was Zimbabwean or Bangladeshi he wouldn't have played test cricket ..Who you play for does matter

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I'm pointing out the fact that Sangakkara wasn't able to play in high profile series like Brian Lara and Tendulkar for example ..If Bradman had played for Zimbabwe or Bangladesh he wouldn't have played test cricket

Neither Murali nor Hadlee were able to play in high profile series either. Yet many people would put one or both in their AT World XIs.