What happened to big spinners of the ball?

[halba]

Ashwin a big turner? Wut lol

Yep he isnt. Hes just a lot of variety- off break, arm ball, carrom, etc, subtle variations enough to get the edge.

 

[Starfighter]

Yep he isnt. Hes just a lot of variety- off break, arm ball, carrom, etc, subtle variations enough to get the edge.

If you want to find a 'just enough to get the edge' bowler find footage of Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey. Ashwin generally turns his stock ball far more than they did.

 

[Socerer 01]

Kumble was from that era and didnt spin the ball big. must be just the era/pitches isnt conducive to big spin bowling and more 'subtle' variations. For example, leg spinners in the current era usually get carted around..Hardly any of them - they are a dead breed in test cricket.

when were they a popular breed in test cricket unless you go back to ancient times?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Chucking aided the doosra. Traditional offies like Swann spun it big with a classic action, this breed is disappearing as well unfortunately.

Chucking usually massively helps a finger spinner spin the ball more

 

[Burgey]

DRS

 

[Migara]

And the bait is taken.

Excellent. My work here is done.

I am relived because the drop in the group IQ will correct itself now.

 

[Migara]

Chucking usually massively helps a finger spinner spin the ball more

The counter argument is bowlers who had illegal action were not huge spinners of the ball. Infact guys like Senanayake just got it to deviate from the straight.

 

[Migara]

when were they a popular breed in test cricket unless you go back to ancient times?

O'Riely, Chandrashekar and Kumble bowled wrist spin version while Underwood and Verity bowled fingers spin variant.

 

[Migara]

Ashwin and Lyon spin it quite a bit, but not in Swann, Chauhan or Powar territory.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The counter argument is bowlers who had illegal action were not huge spinners of the ball. Infact guys like Senanayake just got it to deviate from the straight.

That's not a counter argument, it's a vaguely tangentially-related statement

 

[sledger]

I am relived because the drop in the group IQ will correct itself now.

Unlikely whilst there are still posters contributing to the thread who can't spell relieved correctly.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ashwin and Lyon spin it quite a bit, but not in Swann, Chauhan or Powar territory.

Have you even seen Ashwin bowl? He barely spins it unless it's a very helpful surface. He's successful due to subtle variations in speed, trajectory and use of the carrom ball. Which also barely turns.

 

[Migara]

Unlikely whilst there are still posters contributing to the thread who can't spell relieved correctly.

Further degradation . . .

 

[Immenso]

DRS

This is the obvious answer. Surprised it has taken until the second page.

Big spinning deliveries miss the stumps.

Spinners bowl quicker and at the stumps/pads.

 

[TheJediBrah]

This is the obvious answer. Surprised it has taken until the second page.

Big spinning deliveries miss the stumps.

Spinners bowl quicker and at the stumps/pads.

This was also the case before DRS . . .

I really don't think it has changed things that much at all tbh

 

[Prince EWS]

This is the obvious answer. Surprised it has taken until the second page.

Big spinning deliveries miss the stumps.

Spinners bowl quicker and at the stumps/pads.

It would definitely be the obvious answer if things had really changed much. I don't think they have.

Murali and Warne were freaks, so I think we can probably largely discount them. The best two spinners in the history of cricket aside, I think the average spinner actually puts more on it now than they did in the past. Ashwin and Lyon definitely put more revs on it than their finger-spinning equivalents in the 90s and 00s - Harbhajan and Hauritz/Miller. Vettori was clearly better than Macewell/Ajaz are but was basically a master of straight breaks, Herath was a subtle undercutter, Yasir and Kaneria turned it a similar amount to each other, Burl leaves Murphy for dead in terms of turn, Taijul turns it more than Rafique, etc etc.

I do think leggies coming through are more likely to rely on variations and deceit than big ripping leg breaks, which is probably due to a mix of DRS and that style being more useful in T20 cricket... but if anything I think finger spinners are ripping it more now than they did in the past. Swann is the only one I can think of who truly breaks the mould on that when you compare players from the same country.

I basically just reject the premise that the statement posed in the question is true to begin with.

 

[Burgey]

I basically just reject the premise that the statement posed in the question is true to begin with.

WTF is this word salad?

 

[Daemon]

WTF is this word salad?

? Pretty straightforward

 

[Burgey]

No it's terrible. "I reject the premise of the OP" is all you need. FMD. Is this what we have to look forward to from Ruddick's press releases?

 

[Starfighter]

? Pretty straightforward

Could be written a lot more clearly.