Graeme Smith vs Matthew Hayden

[PlayerComparisons]

Two best openers of the 2000s after sehwag

 

[subshakerz]

Smith better than Sehwag and Hayden.

 

[Shri]

remember smith being the bunny of both vaas and post comeback zaheer

 

[BazBall21]

Already done recently. Smith v Sehwag hasn’t been done.

 

[Prince EWS]

I think we had this already.

 

[Prince EWS]

remember smith being the bunny of both vaas and post comeback zaheer

And Hoggard. Loved a bogey bowler.

Was a gun though anyway. Best opener of time following cricket with daylight second IMO.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Hayden was clearly better. Outperformed Smith by miles in head to heads in both Australia and South Africa. Always looked a class above Smith.

 

[subshakerz]

Hayden was clearly better. Outperformed Smith by miles in head to heads in both Australia and South Africa. Always looked a class above Smith.

Smith was facing an ATG attack, Hayden wasn't. The times he has faced an ATG attack, he has looked wanting.

Any chance we can retire this head-to-head argument forever on CW?

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Smith was facing an ATG attack, Hayden wasn't. The times he has faced an ATG attack, he has looked wanting.

Any chance we can retire this head-to-head argument forever on CW?

Sehwag faced an all time great SA attack and did way better against them then what Smith did against a median Indian attack so with that logic how can you say Smith is better then Sehwag?

 

[anil1405]

Sehwag faced an all time great SA attack and did way better against them then what Smith did against a median Indian attack so with that logic how can you say Smith is better then Sehwag?

Overall package.

 

[subshakerz]

Sehwag faced an all time great SA attack and did way better against them then what Smith did against a median Indian attack so with that logic how can you say Smith is better then Sehwag?

No, I was critiquing the idea of head to head comparisons.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Hayden was clearly better. Outperformed Smith by miles in head to heads in both Australia and South Africa. Always looked a class above Smith.

Not sure head to head records and eye tests are the best way to compare

 

[Prince EWS]

No, I was critiquing the idea of head to head comparisons.

Haha yeah and he actually backed up your point with another example of a shitty head to head comparison.

I swear about 30% of the guy's posts are about how much he loves Hayden though.

 

[BazBall21]

Interesting that this was competitive a few months ago but not anymore

 

[andruid]

Hayden was clearly better. Outperformed Smith by miles in head to heads in both Australia and South Africa. Always looked a class above Smith.

Hayden never brought about the cataclysmic demise of two England test captains like Smith did

 

[BazBall21]

Not sure head to head records and eye tests are the best way to compare

Eye test is okay to talk about if used properly

 

[subshakerz]

Not sure head to head records and eye tests are the best way to compare

Eye tests are fine as one measure to get a sense of a player's quality. Head to head makes no sense whatsoever in a team sport.

 

[subshakerz]

Eye test is okay to talk about if used properly

Beat me to it bro

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Not sure head to head records and eye tests are the best way to compare

Yeah why watch the games when you have the away stats filter on statsguru to make up your mind for you.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Haha yeah and he actually backed up your point with another example of a ****ty head to head comparison.

Isn't head to head a little less bad than the usual performance comparisons?

Atleast it's "How did A and B players perform in the same series where it may be assumed they faced pretty similar conditions", rather than "A averaged 50 in a series in China once, and B averaged only 30 when he toured China 7 years later in an entirely different series hence he's worse".