OK, yeah I can understand that. I guess as a cricket fan, and not even an England one, it would dismay me if he didn't have a Headingley in him again because he's changed his game. But you do have to make sacrifices as captain.
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*Official* England in NZ 2023
- Thread starter G. S. Kohli
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Macewell playing is fine, it's the role he's in that's the problem.
G. S. Kohli
International Vice-Captain
All ready 1158 international runs by Harry Brook, i never seen anyone in last many years who score so repidly includung (in test, his strike rate 96 plus)
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Genuinely feels like Southee is captaining as if he only has two frontline bowlers and three semi-useful part-timers atm.
And it's hard to blame him. The three bowlers thing wouldn't seem so bad if one of them wasn't the ghost of Neil Wagner.
And it's hard to blame him. The three bowlers thing wouldn't seem so bad if one of them wasn't the ghost of Neil Wagner.
Yeah. Macewell playing is fine in the right context. In NZ conditions, batting at 8, with three quality seamers and someone in the top 7 (even Mitchell) who can bowl, absolutely fine. But it's what we do with the rest of the XI, that is affected by his inability to average over 25 with bat or under 40 with ball, that causes the consternation.
Nah, I actually think it's good captaincy and unceremonious captaincy. Wagner shouldn't be bowling here, and he's not. It would just be a massive waste of any remaining conditions in which to move the ball
Athlai
Not Terrible
With Jamieson injured and Boult unselected, we only have the two Test bowlers in the country.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah I agree - as I said I can't blame him at all. But when that's what's happening you definitely have to seriously question the selection of the team (not that we haven't already done that at length)
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Apart from the younger ones our selectors are unwilling to try
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Southee is treating Wagner like he treated Ajaz
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha Brook played outside that because it started to swing out of the hand and then just totally stopped. Weird nude ball.
Athlai
Not Terrible
None of them are Test level yet. A few might get there like Henry did over time (and yeah we need to be picking them by next series because Southee won't be around forever either)
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
It’s a demographic we can do without.
Haha, exactly. That's what we've done. I will acknowledge that picking a side must be a lot harder inside the environment than on a cricket message board where you're not accountable or involved in any type of ongoing relationships within the squad.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Should say re Wagner that I still admire the hell out of him. He is out there at almost 37 absolutely busting a gut, as always, and I actually think his pace is up slightly from some of his recent matches. Shifting to more of a full and swing-based length also makes sense if he can't pull off the full Wagnerball these days. Unfortunately that approach doesn't seem to be quite test-level.
England's approach against him has also worked extremely well, obviously. It would have been interesting to see a battle between this England batting side and peak Wagner 4-5 years ago.
England's approach against him has also worked extremely well, obviously. It would have been interesting to see a battle between this England batting side and peak Wagner 4-5 years ago.
