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[StephenZA]

I need help with Burger... because he is not doing what I need him to do as a 43 skilled bowler. When I compare him to Passmore, a 39 skill bowler I find Burger just performing inadequately.




They are both RF, bowlers. Same stamina, experience and age (close enough). And their touch has been relatively similar.
Their contributions to the TMOs are thus for last season and this season:

Burger
Season 32 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 33.14
Season 33 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 51.17

Passmore
Season 32 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 25.64
Season 33 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 20.27

Now I understand that bowling is as a unit and that Passmore does bowl more end of the innings than Burger but it still feels a much bigger discrepancy than it should be. Burger just does not pick up the wickets required of a bowler whose skill level is just that bit higher. And he still goes for runs. If Burger had an avg of 28 to Passmores 25 I could go okay... but I just don't see what is going on here. And I have played around with Burgers orders a bit to try get more out of him, but its just not quite working.

This is an issue, because you don't end up with many 43 skill bowlers (well not easily or without lots of monies) and you need them to contribute else it is probably better to try get some good monies and replace them sooner rather than later.

 

[cnerd123]

What's his economy like

I'm having similar issues with Sampath now, but at least I can point to his mediocre accuracy + overly high variations to suggest the actual quality of his bowling doesn't match his raw skills. And he does generally take wickets in T20s and in the death overs, so I need to just keep him away from the first half.

Burger should do a job at least building pressure with the new ball. High accuracy and basically the same movement and variation.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Building pressure with the new ball, does it entails them bowling with a field setting of 6-7?

 

[StephenZA]

What's his economy like

I'm having similar issues with Sampath now, but at least I can point to his mediocre accuracy + overly high variations to suggest the actual quality of his bowling doesn't match his raw skills. And he does generally take wickets in T20s and in the death overs, so I need to just keep him away from the first half.

Burger should do a job at least building pressure with the new ball. High accuracy and basically the same movement and variation.

His economy has improved recently (his overall economy is very good) but looking just at his div 2 SOD stuff he tends to be around 4.3, but occasionally will go for 50 or 60 runs in his 10 overs. And I could live with that if he ended up taking wickets when going for runs. But it tends to be just him giving runs away at crucial times. Its very frustrating. Passmore (economy about 4.7) will sometimes give runs away, similarly, but also takes crucial wickets when being attacked.

Home ground is a bit tough for bowlers, but there is some moisture in the pitch that should help early on which Burger fails to do taking early wickets.

 

[cnerd123]

Sampath is going at 5.15 this season and 5.05 last season. Such a rubbish 44 skill bowler. Accuracy > all else.

 

[StephenZA]

@cnerd123 How much do you think it could be an impact of poor captaincy? I feel like a captaincy of 13 (Kock) is not quite good enough at this stage. Want something closer to 15?

 

[cnerd123]

Captaincy definitely helps, I saw a real impact in our bowling performances between Arif Jalal (20) and Danial Ahsan (currently only 13).

 

[Charlie B]

I don't have a highly skilled captain so it is interesting to see this pop up into your bowling analysis (I'm sorry I don't have any wisdom on that , but would also be irritated and frustrated about what the answer is !). The incredibly 'holy' and small help guide says that captaincy is a combination of captaincy and experience - how do you all measure the ratio of those?

So I have for example an old timer who has 11 captaincy and 20 experience and a youth with 13 captaincy and 5 experience - which would you pick as captain ...... Is it as simple as 11 x 20 = 220 / 13 x 5 = 65 or does that undervalue captaincy / overvalue experience ?

Can i also ask ( in light of a recent game and comments from ataraxia) what sort of pitch is idea for a medium pacer to play on?

 

[cnerd123]

I usually got Captaincy + Exp, or maybe more accurately Captaincy + (0.75) Exp.

I think medium pacers like moisture, but don't get effected too much either way by pace. Pace on the deck is supposed to assist faster bowlers and run scoring, lack of pace assist slower bowlers and makes run scoring hard. A medium pacer is somewhere in between the extremes so is probably neutral.

 

[Charlie B]

I usually got Captaincy + Exp, or maybe more accurately Captaincy + (0.75) Exp.

I think medium pacers like moisture, but don't get effected too much either way by pace. Pace on the deck is supposed to assist faster bowlers and run scoring, lack of pace assist slower bowlers and makes run scoring hard. A medium pacer is somewhere in between the extremes so is probably neutral.

Thanks for the two useful points on (0.75 exp) and the medium pacer z.or.ax- so (surprise surprise ?) a 50 moisture 50 pace pitch will be conducive to your 62 mph medium pacer? - a medium pitch for a medium pacer?)

On the bowling front (and batting for that point ) I always find it hard to truly evaluate how a player is performing - too hard actually, so I go for gut feel....

by that I mean (and particularly my teams which have played a mixture of Div 3 and 2 ) a player can have batted and bowled against a lot of BOT teams which totally skew all the KPI's ;(another not) , or they get the toughest straw by bowling against the best teams in your league , against their openers or on a high scoring pitch etc etc.

For a batter if he is younger, then his average does not reflect the player he may be now, (will be) and/or he may have spent most of his career to date on aggression 9, so he got out and received his IGT, so that the next player could have a go , whilst an older player has played all his knocks in the 'school of hard knocks' and/or didn't get a bat in the easy game because all the youngsters set to 9 aggression (in an IGT opportunity against a T20 bot for example) never got out to let him have a go (you get the idea!)

Until the stats area gives us more control over what we can filter in and out ( yes i have put it in suggestions!, like leaving a letter for the Evil Tooth Fairy or Bad Santa, as you know they {I say they, I don't think DEV Any 'Pie man' truly exists any more- there has been not a squeak from him in the full 23 months I have played the game} won't answer) there are so many 'contaminants you have to add or extract to get apples vs apples that it is not worth the candle

 

[ataraxia]

I need help with Burger... because he is not doing what I need him to do as a 43 skilled bowler. When I compare him to Passmore, a 39 skill bowler I find Burger just performing inadequately.

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They are both RF, bowlers. Same stamina, experience and age (close enough). And their touch has been relatively similar.
Their contributions to the TMOs are thus for last season and this season:

Burger
Season 32 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 33.14
Season 33 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 51.17

Passmore
Season 32 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 25.64
Season 33 (50 Over): Bowl Avg: 20.27

Now I understand that bowling is as a unit and that Passmore does bowl more end of the innings than Burger but it still feels a much bigger discrepancy than it should be. Burger just does not pick up the wickets required of a bowler whose skill level is just that bit higher. And he still goes for runs. If Burger had an avg of 28 to Passmores 25 I could go okay... but I just don't see what is going on here. And I have played around with Burgers orders a bit to try get more out of him, but its just not quite working.

This is an issue, because you don't end up with many 43 skill bowlers (well not easily or without lots of monies) and you need them to contribute else it is probably better to try get some good monies and replace them sooner rather than later.

Death bowlers get way more wickets than powerplay bowlers. Have a look through top sides, or even just your own players. This is the case at least from what I've seen. A problem with both Burger and Ramalingam is that they're variation-skewed, but often bowl earlier on. Give them a spell in the last 10 and those averages will surely improve.

Economy's a good metric IMO (well naturally; it does reflect BQ), but then again it favours early bowlers

 

[Charlie B]

Will need a a few more days to give you an exact number but new man Rooney with stamina of 0 went up from 93% to 95% fitness on Day 1 of his recovery

 

[cnerd123]

Joshua Wong is all accuracy and variation and is usually pretty good no matter when I bowl him. I think Sampath's accuracy is what makes him a liability when I have attacking fields.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

GG CC are playing 3 games simultaneously; one for each format.

Just fell to ATX-W in the T20 encounter

Currently playing ATX in the 40-over match…bowled them out for 167 with Ibrahim Zahid contributing 86 of them…GG in reply are 30/2 after4 overs

And the 50-over match, going up against Moooo, batting first it is 189/5 in the 44th over for GG

 

[StephenZA]

Death bowlers get way more wickets than powerplay bowlers. Have a look through top sides, or even just your own players. This is the case at least from what I've seen. A problem with both Burger and Ramalingam is that they're variation-skewed, but often bowl earlier on. Give them a spell in the last 10 and those averages will surely improve.

Economy's a good metric IMO (well naturally; it does reflect BQ), but then again it favours early bowlers

Just to put this in perspective... Passmore has a better economy rate this season than Burger, Burger has taken 4 wickets and Passmore has taken 12. I do tend to bowl Burger at the beginning of the innings more because he has higher movement (one less variation than Passmore). However, when I do bowl Passmore in the first 15 overs, frequently he ends up taking a wicket. Burger gets about 6 overs in the first 25 and frequently takes none (I have dropped him to later in the innings to see how he would perform end of innings and it did not really help). Even though I have more aggressive fields set for Burgers early bowling. Burger takes wickets against weak batting line-ups often, but I can not rely on him to take wickets against better line-ups, and he tends to get hit for runs against better batsmen. (#BQdoesNotMatter). Passmore takes important wickets all the time.

In the end that one point more (actual skill) variation appears to make a huge difference between Passmore and Burger, and the higher movement Burger has, has little effect, partly I know, because I trained Burgers speed up. However my concern ultimately is this, for multiple seasons, for no obvious reasons my 43 skilled bowler is being out performed by my 38 and 39 skilled bowlers, consistently. I could accept a difference in economies where Burger has a better economy but strikes less often, thus averages 28s. But what I find is he hardly takes wickets at all, even later in innings, and avg 33+ and has only a slightly better economy than Passmore. And this is frustrating because it takes time and effort and you don't often get players into 40+ actual skills; and when you do they need to perform... but the game engine says no on this one...

 

[StephenZA]

I do wonder if Burgers Iceman trait effects him more than I realize considering how important exp is....

 

[ataraxia]

Honestly it's a bit of a shame that Burger must be such an opening bowler; he'd be better suited bowled throughout the innings. I love Ncanana, but maybe it's time for him to go, and be replaced by a movement-skewed pacer. (My SOD bowling attack is even further variation-heavy. You have to balance SOD and T20, and I've erred on the evil side there...)

Well I suppose I haven't much else to say, other than if you do choose to sell him I might well fork 500K out to get him, even if he doesn't fit my plans all too well!

 

[StephenZA]

Trying my best to produce some movement based bowlers at the moment. You don't often see already developed high movement based bowlers on the market (15+). Ncanana is holding on purely because he keeps performing so very very well... unexpectedly, sometimes. He has lasted two seasons longer than planned for. Practically though his place is going to be taken up by Coetzee.

Part of the reason to sell Burger would to try get some good monies now for him and have some cash in the bank for a future player. Its just a big decision.

 

[cnerd123]

I do believe accuracy and variation are the two best traits for a bowler. High movement bowlers have limited utility.

 

[StephenZA]

I do believe accuracy and variation are the two best traits for a bowler. High movement bowlers have limited utility.

How important do you think shot selection is for batsmen? And as far as I can tell its better to be aggressive than defensive by a long way...