Coronis
International Coach
Yes because somehow Sutcliffe is on a diffeeent level to Hutton and Gavaskar.
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What is your definition of ATG?
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The Sean
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Warne?
subshakerz
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Reputation not quite as high.Yes because somehow Sutcliffe is on a diffeeent level to Hutton and Gavaskar.
Slifer
International Captain
Omg did I really miss him. He's obviously an atg.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah but reputation wise he wasn't as much of a standout, more like a regular great.
Victor Ian
International Coach
I think sanga can't be ATG until he sorts out his issues with himannv.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
That's an oxymoron.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Grace, Ranji, Trumper, Kapil, Botham
Coronis
International Coach
Ah yes, because reputation is a very reputable factor.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It is to determine an ATG. If someone with Pontings record had a reputation like Sanga he wouldn't be an ATG.
If there is a mismatch between reputation and quality of performance, the reputation is self-evidently wrong.
I guess everyone defines ATG differently. But saying reputation is important even when undeserved sounds like an MLM pitch.
BazBall21
International Captain
Mine
Australia: Bradman, McGrath, Warne, Miller, Lillee, O'Reilly, Smith, Spofforth, Chappell, Trumper, Lindwall, Border, Ponting, Benaud.
Windies: Sobers, Marshall, Richards, Ambrose, Lara, Headley, Worrell, Weekes, Walcott, Holding.
England: Grace, Hobbs, Barnes, Hammond, Hutton, Trueman, Botham, Ranji, Rhodes, Compton, Sutcliffe.
South Africa: Kallis, Richards, G Pollock, Steyn, Donald.
India: Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Kapil.
Pakistan: Imran, Wasim.
Sri Lanka: Murali, Sanga.
New Zealand: Hadlee.
Borderlines: Garner, Laker, Waugh, Miandad, Waqar, Procter, S Pollock, Dravid, Barrington, Grimmett, Verity, Boycott. A few more on other days.
Australia: Bradman, McGrath, Warne, Miller, Lillee, O'Reilly, Smith, Spofforth, Chappell, Trumper, Lindwall, Border, Ponting, Benaud.
Windies: Sobers, Marshall, Richards, Ambrose, Lara, Headley, Worrell, Weekes, Walcott, Holding.
England: Grace, Hobbs, Barnes, Hammond, Hutton, Trueman, Botham, Ranji, Rhodes, Compton, Sutcliffe.
South Africa: Kallis, Richards, G Pollock, Steyn, Donald.
India: Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Kapil.
Pakistan: Imran, Wasim.
Sri Lanka: Murali, Sanga.
New Zealand: Hadlee.
Borderlines: Garner, Laker, Waugh, Miandad, Waqar, Procter, S Pollock, Dravid, Barrington, Grimmett, Verity, Boycott. A few more on other days.
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Coronis
International Coach
Somehow Barry Richards is an ATG but Sutcliffe isn’t even borderline? Makes sense.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Not necessarily. Quality of performance/record is most important but reputation based on how you play is something that opposition/cricket world determines and is a factor. To get in the very top tier you need both unequivocally IMO.
Ponting was being put up there with Sachin and Lara, Sanga wasn't. Their records are comparable but Ponting had a better reputation.
trundler
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That could just be because Australian voices are louder than Sri Lankan ones though. Maybe Ponting just played in more marquee series by virtue of being Australian whilst Sanga was murdering Ajmal mercilessly in front of 50 construction workers and a bored Sheikh.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Re-reading this thread, I couldn't quite believe there were comments about Kallis not being an ATG with the bat??? Mid 50s average, watertight technique, bats for long periods etc
The bloke strolls into most ATG XI's as a bat imo
The bloke strolls into most ATG XI's as a bat imo
BazBall21
International Captain
Ahh forgot Sutcliffe
Slifer
International Captain
Also, regarding Ponting, he debuted I believe in the late to mid 90s if I recall. And the three top teams (outside Australia) all still had decent attacks: WI, RSA and Pak. He played series against each, where he did well. Then add that to the unbelievable peak on the 2000s; yeah Ricky is an atg. He's probably one of the few players I'll say is good vs raw pace.