*Official* Australia vs South Africa -2022/3

[tony p]

Looking forward to Glamorgan v Essex this year, if they play each other
Marnus v Harmer will be interesting for sure.

 

[Nintendo]

SA picked 2 front line spinners, they should be forced to bowl with the spinners under these conditions. It's not like there being forced to use a part timer. Same goes for aus in this situation.

 

[Gnske]

Cricket is a **** sport hey

 

[morgieb]

If this light reading costs us a WTC spot….

 

[Spark]

Totally inept. High time a universal objective light standard was set across the board and ending this **** forever.

 

[Spark]

So apparently Seven has a super slow mo angle (not accessible to the third umpire though... work that one out) that shows fairly clearly that the catch was clean.

No surprise to me, those end up being out (or rather should be out) very very reliably when the hands are under the ball.

 

[Gnske]

So apparently Seven has a super slow mo angle (not accessible to the third umpire though... work that one out) that shows fairly clearly that the catch was clean.

No surprise to me, those end up being out (or rather should be out) very very reliably when the hands are under the ball.

As Dan would say, it's all scripted.

 

[honestbharani]

So apparently Seven has a super slow mo angle (not accessible to the third umpire though... work that one out) that shows fairly clearly that the catch was clean.

No surprise to me, those end up being out (or rather should be out) very very reliably when the hands are under the ball.

I also think sometimes the fielders may not have their fingers close together so you may actually have a bit of the surface of the ball scratch the outfield but they were still taking the catch.

I mean think of guys with small hands/fingers like Chahal taking catches. Even if they got all their fingers around the ball, a bit of it will stick out

 

[Spark]

I also think sometimes the fielders may not have their fingers close together so you may actually have a bit of the surface of the ball scratch the outfield but they were still taking the catch.

I mean think of guys with small hands/fingers like Chahal taking catches. Even if they got all their fingers around the ball, a bit of it will stick out

I can see how this can happen but this is so fundamentally unknowable that you should just assume the catch was clean and give it out so long the fingers are clearly under the ball IMO. Otherwise you end up talking yourself into philosophical rabbit holes for no discernible purpose.

 

[Daemon]

 

[honestbharani]

I can see how this can happen but this is so fundamentally unknowable that you should just assume the catch was clean and give it out so long the fingers are clearly under the ball IMO. Otherwise you end up talking yourself into philosophical rabbit holes for no discernible purpose.

That was my point. Coz in these cases, the fielders have basically done everything they can.

 

[Spark]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610473372932050944

This seems to be the angle. Yeah look that's just out IMO.

 

[Starfighter]

It hasn't been raining for about 15-20 minutes now but of course that doesn't mean the groundstaff have been actually doing anything

I wrote a **** about Kevin Mitchell turning the Brisbane pitch into an awful turgid mess in his last years, but at least he was proactive when it came to the weather and dealing with the outfield.

In Sydney the actively seem to not want cricket played. The quicker they start drying the outfield, the quicker they can play, but instead they do nothing.

 

[Starfighter]

Totally inept. High time a universal objective light standard was set across the board and ending this **** forever.

Surely they use the same measure at all grounds. Does anyone know what it actually is? If the umpires just decide on feels then it's a total joke.

 

[Spark]

Surely they use the same measure at all grounds. Does anyone know what it actually is? If the umpires just decide on feels then it's a total joke.

As far as I know it really is just the umpires decide on a game-by-game basis at some point that it's too dark to continue based on, yes, feels, and then they take a reading to translate their feels into a number that is used as a hard threshold for the rest of the game.

Asinine but to the best of my knowledge that's how it works.

 

[Starfighter]

As far as I know it really is just the umpires decide on a game-by-game basis at some point that it's too dark to continue based on, yes, feels, and then they take a reading to translate their feels into a number that is used as a hard threshold for the rest of the game.

Asinine but to the best of my knowledge that's how it works.

That's ridiculous if true (should probably dig up the playing conditions).

Also, they could at least have officially taken tea.

Now there's small showers around that they shouldn't even have been going off for if they were playing. Just staggeringly unprofessional.

 

[tony p]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610473372932050944

This seems to be the angle. Yeah look that's just out IMO.

If there was NO technology involved in cricket, Marnus would have walked off, BUT because we do have technology, it's now basically used for everything, so Marnus rolled the dice and said he didn't think it carried.
Can an umpire just say to the batter, you are out, we aren't using technology, or do they have to if it's available.?

 

[Nintendo]

Very clearly all test cricket in Australia should be played at either metricon or allan border field.

 

[Gnske]

As far as I know it really is just the umpires decide on a game-by-game basis at some point that it's too dark to continue based on, yes, feels, and then they take a reading to translate their feels into a number that is used as a hard threshold for the rest of the game.

Asinine but to the best of my knowledge that's how it works.

Again, just make umpiring ruled by the machines without feelings.

Honestly its a bunch of old men who probably think its naptime if it gets a bit overcast. Hell Paul Reiffel looks like he should be in a wheelchair with a warm woven knit over his legs that would be given to a salvos once he died after being left alone for two weeks without food.

Cricket can only be pure once humans are removed

 

[Spark]

That's ridiculous if true (should probably dig up the playing conditions).

Also, they could at least have officially taken tea.

Now there's small showers around that they shouldn't even have been going off for if they were playing. Just staggeringly unprofessional.

Here are the relevant playing conditions, at least as of 2021:

2.8.2 If at any time the umpires together agree that the conditions of ground, weather or light, or any other circumstances are dangerous or unreasonable, they shall immediately suspend play, or not allow play to start or to recommence. The decision as to whether conditions are so bad as to warrant such action is one for the umpires alone to make, following consultation with the ICC Match Referee.

2.8.3 If circumstances are warranted, the umpires shall stop play and instruct the Ground Authority to take whatever action they can and use whatever equipment is necessary to remove as much dew as possible from the outfield when conditions become unreasonable or dangerous. The umpires may also instruct the ground staff to take such action during scheduled and unscheduled breaks in play.

2.8.4 The umpires shall disregard any shadow on the pitch from the stadium or from any permanent object on the ground.

2.8.5 Light Meters It is the responsibility of the ICC to supply light meters to the match officials to be used in accordance with these playing conditions.

2.8.5.1 All light meters shall be uniformly calibrated.

2.8.5.2 The umpires shall be entitled to use light meter readings as a guideline for determining whether the light is fit for play in accordance with the criteria set out in clause 2.8.2 above.

2.8.5.3 Light meter readings may accordingly be used by the umpires:

2.8.5.3.1 To determine whether there has been at any stage a deterioration or improvement in the light.

2.8.5.3.2 As benchmarks for the remainder of the match.

No mention of a uniform standard at all. Light meters are at best a guideline before the determination, it's only after the determination that any notion of benchmark comes into play. Essentially they're just there to make the umpires' feelpinions into hard thresholds.

If there was NO technology involved in cricket, Marnus would have walked off, BUT because we do have technology, it's now basically used for everything, so Marnus rolled the dice and said he didn't think it carried.
Can an umpire just say to the batter, you are out, we aren't using technology, or do they have to if it's available.?

Haha even if there were no replays at all, there is zero chance that Marnus is walking off for any reason short of the finger going up. He's one of the last players you'd classify as a walker.