Both Gilly and Dhoni are near undroppable when you think about.
Harder to compare an opener with a finisher. Both were best at what they did, blasting off and finishing games.
Yeah Garner was the best ODI bowler of all time IMO. I am definitely not leaving him out. I just found the batting argument funny.
It's not that hard IMO. Asshole is just wrong here - Dhoni was much better.
Using Gilchrist's keeping to justify him over Jayasuriya is disingenuous when you've got Dhoni running round your outfield. Gilchrist's keeping skills aren't adding value to your side (unless you're weirdly low on Dhoni's ODI keeping for some reason). Obviously 'WC champs opener' doesn't exactly give him an edge over Sanath either.
Hey how about the below suggestion. Would make the thread more interesting?
Gilly as a pure bat to me was quite ahead of Jaya, Sehwag and others, except perhaps Rohit who is underrated. Three WC final performances seals the deal. Him being better than Dhoni in keeping gives him the gloves.
Bold of u to assume i even know who Chris Martin is
Gilchrist won 3 WCs because of his batting, Dhoni lost us 2 WC becuase of his
Make a new thread. This thread is pretty messy tbh.
Instinctively I would say Dhoni but Gilly was capable of destroying quality attacks in a way Dhoni was not which is why it is close.
Asshole.
Remembering players by what they could do rather than what they usually did is basically the #1 error we make as analysts IMO, especially if we try to go down the 'eyes not spreadsheets' route.
Based on what? He hasn't played a final and averages <10 with the ball in SFs. One very good cameo in his 2 batting innings as well.
I agree but it was a sample of bashing of quality attacks that Gilly did on a somewhat consistent basis. If you asked me who could attack a Donald, Wasim or Ambrose more effectively, Jaya or Gilly, I would say Gilly.
True but I remember that game and Waqar and Wasim were swinging the new ball well, Waqar took six wickets. Gilly blew them away in a manner I rarely saw Jaya do.
ABD is a choker but that doesn't stop posters from putting him in an XI.
He wasn't really that consistent at it IMO, which is why his reputation kind of dwarfs his record. People remember the 2W smashing or the squash ball game etc - they don't remember what happened in between all of them for him to average only 36.
You mean when Jaya smoked Waqar and company for 70 out of an opening stand of 70 iwth Kalu and they could only win the game after Jaya got out? And this was 1997 Waqar as well.
Fine, I change my opinion on that. I would then Garner instead of Pollock.
