All time ODI XI

[Godard]

You are looking at it the wrong way. These rankings are not definitive but they show general trends. How many 40 @ 80 openers have there been in the last 20 years? Imran had a better average and strike rate than many respectable batsmen like Border and Waugh. Sanga also was only ok for most of his career. His stats are only moderately better than Misbah. Stats can't capture a player's true worth because of team dynamics, how a batsman paces an innings and other factors that can't be accounted for but you are definitely either overrating Gayle or underrating Imran's batting.

Lemme state it like this Imran Khan and Chris Gayle don’t belong in the 50 best ODI batsmen list

 

[CricAddict]

Lemme state it like this Imran Khan and Chris Gayle don’t belong in the 50 best ODI batsmen list

Why Gayle? He sure is an awesome ODI batsman.

 

[Godard]

Why Gayle? He sure is an awesome ODI batsman.

Poor stats against major nations. But fine, Gayle maybe would. Imran sure wouldn’t, atleast in mine.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Peak ICC bowling ratings
Kapil : 845
Imran :780

Imran isn’t as good as you think in ODI.

Neither is Sachin in tests. In fact, Kohli is better. You absolute numpty.

 

[harsh.ag]

Imran doesn't belong in the ODI ATXI regardless of any favourable or unfavourable comparisons with Kapil.

Pollock, Kapil, Klusener, Flintoff have an argument.

Picking Imran is like picking Cairns. You can do it and make statistical arguments for it, but why would you?

 

[ankitj]

Imran doesn't belong in the ODI ATXI regardless of any favourable or unfavourable comparisons with Kapil.

Pollock, Kapil, Klusener, Flintoff have an argument.

Picking Imran is like picking Cairns. You can do it and make statistical arguments for it, but why would you?

In this thread there are only 2 XIs where Imran has featured iirc. But it so happens that when CW collectively voted for all time ODI XIs, Imran was voted in the 2nd XI. It's not that preposterous.

 

[ankitj]

My system gives big boost to Imran's batting ranking due to longevity. On pure quality, Imran is #69 down from #35. But then Tendulkar also goes down from #4 to #12 so it's not quite an acceptable metric on its own. It might be interesting to play around with the longevity formula.

 

[trundler]

It's not preposterous at all. People are forgetting Kapil averaged 23 and pretending he's Klusener lite with the bat. Flintoff's batting has the same problem as Imran. So does Shakib. Pollock is an option but also has his issues such as a poor WC record and being too similar to the best bowler in the side.

Comparing Imran and Cairns is lollmao. Reminds me of that time someone said Babar struggles in ODIs like VVS.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Picking Imran at 7 is preposterous because everyone is overlooking the obvious.


Lara
Sachin
Viv
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni+
Woakes
Hadlee
Akram
Murali
Garner

 

[honestbharani]

Picking Imran at 7 is preposterous because everyone is overlooking the obvious.



Lara
Sachin
Viv
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni+
Woakes
Hadlee
Akram
Murali
Garner

I would pick Stokes.

 

[ankitj]

I would pick Jadeja.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

ST Jayasuriya
SR Tendulkar
IVA Richards
V Kohli *
AB de Villiers
MS Dhoni +
N. Kapil Dev / L Klusener (can't decide)
Wasim Akram
J Garner
M Muralitharan
GD McGrath

I would pick Klusener. He was a significantly better bat than Kapil and with people are exaggerating how bad he was with bowl and with Jaya, Viv and Sachin as other bowling options there won't be much problem if Klusener has a bad day.

Also Hadlee in place of Mcgrath and Warne in place of Murali would be better.

Plus Dhoni as captain. He was amazing at using bowlers especially part timers.

 

[CricAddict]

I would pick Klusener. He was a significantly better bat than Kapil and with people are exaggerating how bad he was and with Jaya, Viv and Sachin are other bowling options there won't be much problem if Klusener has a bad day.

Also Hadlee in place of Mcgrath and Warne in place of Murali would be better.

Plus Dhoni as captain. He was amazing to using bowlers and especially part timers.

Yes. Klusenar is the best candidate for number 7 in the odi atg team with Viv and Sachin and potentially Jayasuriya/Symonds in it.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

I believe 1st is more accurate because Ponting peak was much better than Tendulkar but Tendulkar was more all condition batsman than Ponting

Tendulkar peak was much better Ponting once you take into the era they peaked in. Ponting was struggling in the 90s and when most good bowlers retired and pitches became flatter he started peaking. Even in the so called peak he struggled in India.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

No point. I’ve demonstrated Symonds is the perfect 5th bowler who can bat anywhere from 5-7 and therefore perfectly balance any odi xi

Klusener is better 5th bowler and bat than Symonds

 

[trundler]

Tendulkar peak was much better Ponting once you take into the era they peaked in. Ponting was struggling in the 90s and when most good bowlers retired and pitches became flatter he started peaking. Even in the so called peak he struggled in India.

Is Ponting also extremely overrated like McGrath, Akram and Bevan?

 

[subshakerz]

It's not preposterous at all. People are forgetting Kapil averaged 23 and pretending he's Klusener lite with the bat. Flintoff's batting has the same problem as Imran. So does Shakib. Pollock is an option but also has his issues such as a poor WC record and being too similar to the best bowler in the side.

Comparing Imran and Cairns is lollmao. Reminds me of that time someone said Babar struggles in ODIs like VVS.

Frankly it is the same Imran denialism that happens with certain posters when discussing his achievements in his test record.

Any other player batting regularly in the top six while opening the bowling in ODIs would be hailed as one of the best ODI players.

 

[subshakerz]

I would pick Klusener. He was a significantly better bat than Kapil and with people are exaggerating how bad he was wih bowl and with Jaya, Viv and Sachin are other bowling options there won't be much problem if Klusener has a bad day.

Also Hadlee in place of Mcgrath and Warne in place of Murali would be better.

Plus Dhoni as captain. He was amazing at using bowlers especially part timers.

I think I would choose even Kapil over Klusener frankly having given it some thought. The quality of the bowler's 10 overs matters more than late order hitting. But Pollock and Imran are better options.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

I think I would choose even Kapil over Klusener frankly having given it some thought. The quality of the bowler's 10 overs matters more than late order hitting. But Pollock and Imran are better options.

Klusener >> Imran and Kapil

Pollock is a choker so he doesn't even belong in the discussion.

 

[CricAddict]

I think I would choose even Kapil over Klusener frankly having given it some thought. The quality of the bowler's 10 overs matters more than late order hitting. But Pollock and Imran are better options.

Quality of overs matter more in tests. In odi, the 5th bowler just has to be decent. A power hitter at 7 is much more valuable and hence Klusenar ahead of Kapil or any other option.