TheJediBrah
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This has to be sarcasm
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Not at all mate. This is what Wisden said of the innings when asking if it was England's greatest ever innings.
'Of England Test innings that have been reported on widely enough to merit inclusion here, arguably only two can challenge Stokes: Pietersen’s 158 at The Oval on the last afternoon of the 2005 Ashes, and – a few weeks after Headingley – Botham’s 118 off 102 balls at Old Trafford, where he hooked Dennis Lillee without a helmet.'
Now I was at Old Trafford for the Botham innings and saw KPs on the TV. Stokes' innings topped them for me.
It's a subjective opinion. I think Stokes innings was the best I've seen, you clearly don't which is fair enough.
TheJediBrah
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We must have watched a different innings. Stokes at Headingly was mostly a procession of mis-timed slogs falling into gaps with occassional decent shots in between. Not to mention the plumb lbw given not out. With average luck he would have been out 10 times.
As far as quality of batting and stroke play it was probably one of the worst centuries of all time. Definitely the worst that Stokes had ever played. It's the drama and situation, where the series was at, 4th innings chase etc. that made it "special".
ankitj
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Stokes over Kallis is a big call.
ankitj
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Kallis in place of Kara
It is a big call - Kallis' record is superior to Stokes'. Kallis is very much under valued - his stats are fantastic.
But I went for Stokes over Kallis on a gut feel. In an ATG side of players I'd seen, I felt I had enough batting and bowling options and wanted a player like Stokes who could play an innings that even someone like Kallis probably couldn't.
Is Kallis a better cricketer than Stokes - you'd have to say yes but I felt Stoke could do things Kallis couldn't.
Plus I couldn't pick a ATG team and not have one English player in it
Lillian Thomson
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“England representative” would be better wording.It is a big call - Kallis' record is superior to Stokes'. Kallis is very much under valued - his stats are fantastic.
But I went for Stokes over Kallis on a gut feel. In an ATG side of players I'd seen, I felt I had enough batting and bowling options and wanted a player like Stokes who could play an innings that even someone like Kallis probably couldn't.
Is Kallis a better cricketer than Stokes - you'd have to say yes but I felt Stoke could do things Kallis couldn't.
Plus I couldn't pick a ATG team and not have one English player in it
Red_Ink_Squid
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Where's Katich?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Coaching the ATGs
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist(wk)
Khan(c)
Hadlee
Marshall
Murali/Warne
12th man : Wasim Akram
Wants to pick Warne because he was better bat and this long tail would be amazing but Murali would be better for SC conditions.
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist(wk)
Khan(c)
Hadlee
Marshall
Murali/Warne
12th man : Wasim Akram
Wants to pick Warne because he was better bat and this long tail would be amazing but Murali would be better for SC conditions.
Zinzan
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Greatest XI using US Presidents First names (without doubling up).
John Berry 'Jack' Hobbs (Tyler)
Bill Lawry (Clinton)
Donald Bradman* (Trump)
Martin Crowe (Van Buren)
George Headley (Washington)
Abraham de Villiers+ (Lincoln)
Benjamin Stokes 5 (Harrison)
Andrew Flintoff 3 (Jackson)
Richard Hadlee 1 (Nixon)
James Anderson 2 (Munroe)
James Laker 4 (Garfield)
Solid XI if not a little samey with Stokes and Flintoff. Strong batting & more than decent bowling attack.
And yes Trump is captain, get over it.
John Berry 'Jack' Hobbs (Tyler)
Bill Lawry (Clinton)
Donald Bradman* (Trump)
Martin Crowe (Van Buren)
George Headley (Washington)
Abraham de Villiers+ (Lincoln)
Benjamin Stokes 5 (Harrison)
Andrew Flintoff 3 (Jackson)
Richard Hadlee 1 (Nixon)
James Anderson 2 (Munroe)
James Laker 4 (Garfield)
Solid XI if not a little samey with Stokes and Flintoff. Strong batting & more than decent bowling attack.
And yes Trump is captain, get over it.
TheJediBrah
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But Trump is the greatest president by a much bigger margin than Bradman is the greatest batsman
Zinzan
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Both good calls & O'Reilly ahead of Flintoff. Still great batting depth with Stokes at 7 & Hadlee 8 which you need with those bunnys at 9,10 & jack
John Berry 'Jack' Hobbs (Tyler)
Herbert Sutcliffe (Hoover)
Donald Bradman* (Trump)
Martin Crowe (Van Buren)
George Headley (Washington)
Abraham de Villiers+ (Lincoln)
Benjamin Stokes 3 (Harrison)
Richard Hadlee 1 (Nixon)
Bill O'Reilly 5 (Clinton)
James Anderson 2 (Munroe)
James Laker 4 (Garfield)
Fuller Pilch
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I'm a huge Martin Crowe fan, but Joe (Biden) Root at 4.
Lillian Thomson
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I love Martin Crowe also, but Andy Flower at 4.
Fuller Pilch
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If playing in Australia, Harold Larwood (Harry Truman) for Anderson.