Blenkinsop
U19 Captain
Equal blame to batters and bowlers IMO. If you're 60 after 10 you're never going to bat the opposition out of the game. If England had batted first they'd have made 220.
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2nd Semi Final | Ind vs Eng | Adelaide, 10 Nov 2022
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Teja.
Global Moderator
The match was lost in the first 10 overs of the Indian batting innings, whatever happened later in the England innings was a consequence of the lack of pressure created earlier.
Sure, it would have been better if we pushed them to a 170-4 out of 18.4 overs with an excellent bowling effort but the match result was not in doubt once we put in an abjectly lacklustre batting effort.
People keep talking about India's lack of upfront aggressive batting and strike rates but surely it was the bowling which let us down massively today. Scoreboard pressure would have helped sure but that doesn't explain 170-0.
Edit: just saw the above post from Nintendo and I agree.
Edit: just saw the above post from Nintendo and I agree.
Everton Seymour
U19 Debutant
What the poster is saying or what I think the poster is trying to say is that white ball cricket has evolved and that India's current way of doing things is outdated .
Consistency can only take you so far but to get over the line in tournaments you need to dare , you need to take risks .. It's no longer just about how many runs did you score ...The more pertinent question is how did you help the team ? Did you utilise the powerplay well enough ? How many dot balls did you absorb ? What's your boundary count like ... As a team are you good enough in the field ?
Do you have proper bowling options for the conditions ? And if your fifth bowler gets injured or is having an off day do you have a 6th bowling option that can do a job ?
Do you bat deep enough? ...
Look at England they may not have guys who average 50 with the bat like Kohli , you might troll Jordan but everyone on that team is drilled in a Structure that gives them the best chance ... Everyone basically can bat and at a decent clip , There's a plethora of bowling options, nobody's afraid to go over the top .. Win or lose they give themselves the best chance ...Same can't be said for India ..
cnerd123
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bowling definitely needs to cop flack. 168 was below par but if we took a few early wickets and got into that soft middle order it was game on. The flaws in this attack were there to see in all the games leading up to this. Just no incisiveness or control through the middle orders - it was always new ball poles or bust.
Even if we get the openers out in the powerplay, we very probably still lose, it just drags out to the 18th/19th over.
Even if we get the openers out in the powerplay, we very probably still lose, it just drags out to the 18th/19th over.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
We need to play bazball. We need to go all guns blazing right from the start. Our conservtive "tuktuk approach in the majority of the game and explode in last 5 overs" has become obselote.
artvandalay
State Vice-Captain
Says he regrets that we couldn't get to 180 inspite of losing having made 168 with 4 overs to spare. If that doesn't highlight what the problem is I don't know what does.
Victor Ian
International Coach
It's good to not make the finals and you can just revel in everyone else's pain.
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The bowlers did bowl terribly.
artvandalay
State Vice-Captain
This approach also needs batting depth which we don't have which is when you get games like the Asia cup one where Kohli was farming the strike in the last 2 overs. One dimensional white ball cricketers is another issue which was not a problem even a decade or 2 decades back. The way we play is closer to the way Nzl play t20 cricket, i daresay they do that better than us.
Sunil1z
International Regular
We can play bazball and all that , but still get eliminated in knockouts like Eng were last year . We need a mental conditioning coach . You can’t allow 168 to be chased in 16 overs with 10 wkts in hand. Team doesn’t know how to handle knockout pressure. We become Bangladesh/ Zimbabwe in knockouts.
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Sunil1z
International Regular
Ponting : As a player , you are remembered by how you perform in knockouts.
Hayden: Teams will not like to face us in knockouts.
Rohit/Kohli:One match doesn’t define who you are as a cricketer.
It is quite clear 1 of these 3 cricketers are extremely afraid of knockout game .
Hayden: Teams will not like to face us in knockouts.
Rohit/Kohli:One match doesn’t define who you are as a cricketer.
It is quite clear 1 of these 3 cricketers are extremely afraid of knockout game .
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Not Kohli that was just Rohit.
Sunil1z
International Regular
Read Kohli’s statement before WTC Final against NZ . His statement was exactly like this and Rohit repeated it yesterday. Team is mentally scarred since 19 WC .
smash84
The Tiger King
I think the one thing PCB has gotten right in the past 1 year is to get Matthew Hayden to mentor the batting. And as he said, he doesn't try to work on the technical side of things, but tries to get batsmen mentally in shape. Given the mental midgets Pak batsmen are, this was definitely a step in the right direction.
smash84
The Tiger King
Sunil1z
International Regular
We had a mental conditioning coach even in 2011 WC . Garry Kirsten had hired him for WC . We need another one . Team freezes in pressure situations.