Greatest ODI Bowler

[subshakerz]

I don’t think anyone beats Starc’s wickets at 10 apiece in the 2015 WC. That was a tournament where Maxwell was striking at 200 and ABdV made a ton off like 4 balls.

Then he cleans up Baz in the final. Just so good.

Starc is the best WC performer of all-time perhaps. But I was surprised how lopsided his record is against weaker teams though. If the three best batting sides do well against you and you still have this crazy overall record, something is off.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Except he is not. Not with his ER. And not with his record against England, India and SA, the three strongest ODI sides of his time.

NZ is the strongest ODI team of his time. None of the others made a World Cup final played away from home. NZ made two.

 

[subshakerz]

NZ is the strongest ODI team of his time. None of the others made a World Cup final played away from home. NZ made two.

Against Australia, NZ become minnows tho.

Still, averaging high against three top sides takes his rating down.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Starc is the most overrated bowler in history

 

[Migara]

Definietly Pollock > Starc

 

[CricAddict]

Definietly Pollock > Starc

Just on pure bowling, I think Starc still wins as a odi bowler, mainly because he brings something different to the bowling line-up if it has Mcgrath, Garner and Saqlain/Murali pencilled in. Pollock will give a sameness to the attack.

But as a number 8 and good ODI bowler, Pollock can get over him.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Against Australia, NZ become minnows tho.

Starc vs NZ; 13 matches for 29 wickets @ 17.86 (e/r 4.48, s/r 23.8)

Boult vs Aus; 15 matches for 39 wickets @ 16.94 (e/r 4.73, s/r 21.4)

 

[sunilz]

NZ is the strongest ODI team of his time. None of the others made a World Cup final played away from home. NZ made two.

So, can I claim India to be the best ODI side of 80s because India won 83 WC (ENG) ,won World Championship trophy 85 (Aus) and reached 87 WC semi final

 

[sunilz]

Although NZ are nowhere near best side during Starc's career imo and neither were India in 80s.

NZ are not even top 4 side according to W/L ratio against non-minnows since 1 Jan 2010

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Although NZ are nowhere near best side during Starc's career imo and neither were India in 80s.

NZ are not even top 4 side according to W/L ratio against non-minnows since 1 Jan 2010

W/L last 5 years:

NZ 2.437
Eng 2.30
India 2.115
Bang 1.5
SA 1.269
Aus 1.062

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Since 31 Oct 2013 (9 years)
NZ has the 2nd best win/loss ratio

India 1.913, NZ 1.760, SA 1.636, Eng 1.603, Aus 1.400

 

[sunilz]

W/L last 5 years:

NZ 2.437
Eng 2.30
India 2.115
Bang 1.5
SA 1.269
Aus 1.062

So , Starc debuted 5 years ago ? I thought we were evaluating his full career .

 

[Prince EWS]

Just on pure bowling, I think Starc still wins as a odi bowler, mainly because he brings something different to the bowling line-up if it has Mcgrath, Garner and Saqlain/Murali pencilled in. Pollock will give a sameness to the attack.

That doesn't really make him a better bowler though, it just makes him a potentially better pick in a specific imaginary lineup.

 

[Burgey]

So, can I claim India to be the best ODI side of 80s because India won 83 WC (ENG) ,won World Championship trophy 85 (Aus) and reached 87 WC semi final

no

 

[sunilz]

Starc's ODI record is a bit like Murali's Test record. Boosted by minnow bashing.

Although I rate both Murali and Warne nearly equal. So no, Murali vs Warne debate please in this thread.

 

[ankitj]

So no, Murali vs Warne debate please in this thread.

Wrong, punctuation?

 

[TheJediBrah]

That doesn't really make him a better bowler though

it just makes him a potentially better pick in a specific imaginery lineup.

"They're the same picture"

 

[Prince EWS]

"They're the same picture"

Not if the other bloke would be a better pick in most other specific imaginary lineups.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Starc is not only a minnow basher, he's also a tail-basher. Back when he was a bit better and occasionally swung the ball he would take wickets with the new rock, but his stats are boosted massively by always getting tailenders out

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not if the other bloke would be a better pick in most other specific imaginary lineups.

I missed the "specific" part