Who is the worst player of all time that would be selected in every XI in history?

[Pothas]

Oh come on, nel? Prince? They're average as

Watson is never playing as a frontline bowler and Prince was pretty good for a while.

 

[Athlai]

Cribbs call of Ranatunga was a good one

 

[Athlai]

Watson is never playing as a frontline bowler and Prince was pretty good for a while.

Yeah but you'd pick Watson ahead of both and balance the team differently. Kallis is a better bowler than Nel anyway

 

[Shady Slim]

Watson doesn't even get in the England 05 side.

can't remember the full side off the top of my head but he's better than flintoff and i'm tired of pretending that he's not

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Watson-proof?

in addition to those athlai mentioned (thanks athers for being watsonpilled); does he get in on old man pollock too? asking earnestly as i don't know how well pollock was going later on in his career but if it was better than peak shane watson i'd be surprised. was gibbs as good a test opener also as he was at limited overs? could be an in there too...

What's all this about Watson?

There are plenty of teams he wouldn't make including most Auatralian teams. He wouldn't get close to making the current side with Warner and Khawaja opening and Green as an allrounder. He wouldn't even make the NZ team that lost 3-0 (horror tour) sans the injured Bond to England in 2004 (Richardson and Fleming opened, while Cairns, Oram, and Vettori were better allrounders).

gets in on travis head on batting alone

Wouldn't get in India in the last 5 years either (and that's with Pujara, Kohli, and Rahane not scoring any runs).

either as an opener or before rahane he absolutely would

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Watto proof as Asif Iqbal and Mudassar Nazar are already Watson adjacent and as good/better.

don't know these guys so i'll call neutral on this one

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Oh come on, nel? Prince? They're average as

Prince averaged 41.6, while Watson averaged 35.2

 

[TheJediBrah]

Watson plays ahead of Prince, and Scott Styris. Those are not correct answers

 

[TheJediBrah]

What's all this about Watson?

There are plenty of teams he wouldn't make including most Auatralian teams. He wouldn't get close to making the current side with Warner and Khawaja opening and Green as an allrounder. He wouldn't even make the NZ team that lost 3-0 (horror tour) sans the injured Bond to England in 2004 (Richardson and Fleming opened, while Cairns, Oram, and Vettori were better allrounders).

watson makes all these teams

 

[ataraxia]

Reckon any team in history one could argue to put Watson, but there'll be many singular tests where the game situation means he would not play -- 00s SA touring SC, perhaps, you've already got a surplus of bats and seamers.

re: Prince, he averages way more as a MOB than Watto
re: Pollock, there's another test earlier in the series -- same side except Harris over Pollock

 

[trundler]

can't remember the full side off the top of my head but he's better than flintoff and i'm tired of pretending that he's not

in addition to those athlai mentioned (thanks athers for being watsonpilled); does he get in on old man pollock too? asking earnestly as i don't know how well pollock was going later on in his career but if it was better than peak shane watson i'd be surprised. was gibbs as good a test opener also as he was at limited overs? could be an in there too...

gets in on travis head on batting alone

either as an opener or before rahane he absolutely would

don't know these guys so i'll call neutral on this one

Haha Watto proved to be a better shout than I thought at first so kudos.

If we're thinking along the lines of guy who can slot in ahead of the no name opener batting with 3 Ws and Sobers and also overtake Martyn and Gomes, I stand by Colin Cowdrey who averaged 43 as an opener and 50 at 5. Average nerfed by WSC enforced return too.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Watson plays ahead of Prince, and Scott Styris. Those are not correct answers

Ashwell Prince 41.6, Scott Styris 36.04, Watson 35.2.

 

[Pothas]

Watson is really not the player Shady seems to think he is.

Anyway I reckon it might be someone like Clive Lloyd.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Haha Watto proved to be a better shout than I thought at first so kudos.

If we're thinking along the lines of guy who can slot in ahead of the no name opener batting with 3 Ws and Sobers and also overtake Martyn and Gomes, I stand by Colin Cowdrey who averaged 43 as an opener and 50 at 5. Average nerfed by WSC enforced return too.

I can go with Colin Cowdrey. I definitely can't agree with Shane Watson. How would Watto get a game for the Invincibles?

 

[Shady Slim]

Reckon any team in history one could argue to put Watson, but there'll be many singular tests where the game situation means he would not play -- 00s SA touring SC, perhaps, you've already got a surplus of bats and seamers.

converse way to think about this tbf would be that if your seamers are bowling minimal overs and you've already got too many, watson in for the worst of the two/three gives you much better batting while not losing much with the bowling

and this is without even mentioning the potential for rig-based selection which is as yet undiscussed

 

[TheJediBrah]

How would Watto get a game for the Invincibles?

That's what I've been saying, I don't think he does. The invincibles, probably the 00s Australia and those Pakistan teams trundler said he doesn't make.

I still think it's Mark Waugh

 

[Flem274*]

Watson is very underrated buy was also horribly misused after the batting purple patch.

Should have batted 6 and lived his best life having a crack, but his ability to bat top order adequately is a rare advantage in an allrounder.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Watson is very underrated buy was also horribly misused after the batting purple patch.

Should have batted 6 and lived his best life having a crack, but his ability to bat top order adequately is a rare advantage in an allrounder.

This isn't actually the case because post 2011-ish the **** was always coming back from injury and often couldn't bowl so played as a batsman. That's why he was batting 3 or 4 a lot and the "no. 6 all-rounder" didn't happen

So wasn't so much that he was "misused" as he just wasn't properly available regularly enough

 

[Pothas]

Watson is very underrated buy was also horribly misused after the batting purple patch.

Should have batted 6 and lived his best life having a crack, but his ability to bat top order adequately is a rare advantage in an allrounder.

Agree with this but of course it never happened. His record in the middle order is pretty poor isn't it?

His bowling output is so much lower than it should have been as well, especially when compared to someone like Stokes.

 

[trundler]

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That's what I've been saying, I don't think he does. The invincibles, probably the 00s Australia and those Pakistan teams trundler said he doesn't make.

I still think it's Mark Waugh

It's not a particularly great team but there are 3 medium pace all rounders who almost averaged 40 with the bat in there + Imran and Mushtaq Mohammad. It's the illusive 2-5-3 balance. Speaking of, SA 90s with McMillan, Kallis and Pollock?

 

[TheJediBrah]

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It's not a particularly great team but there are 3 medium pace all rounders who almost averaged 40 with the bat in there + Imran and Mushtaq Mohammad. It's the illusive 2-5-3 balance. Speaking of, SA 90s with McMillan, Kallis and Pollock?

Surely Watson ousts Brian McMillan, and possibly Klusener in Tests?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Also re Watson he would hardly break into a top 6 of Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Richards, Gomes, Lloyd and you obviously wouldn't drop a bowler for him.

Like I said earlier I think it is Bruce Reid as the Windies would've loved his left-arm variety and he'd make any other team.