Who is the worst player of all time that would be selected in every XI in history?

[Shady Slim]

Jadeja is better than every player there. At least as good as Herath even if you ignore batting and fielding, which you don't. And he absolutely destroys de Silva and Perera at every aspect of the game. You're living in a different reality if you think Dilruwan perera is as good as Jadeja

jadeja is an atg; he is not at as good a bowler as herath is, that's misinformation.

the thing is, however, the construction of that team renders jadeja otiose in that everything he does is already fulfilled. dilruwan perera is there bc he turns it the other way to herath, jadeja doesn't do that, jadeja does not replace dilruwan

 

[TheJediBrah]

Other fact is that if you're a Sri Lanka selector and you have Jadeja available, you pick him first and build the team around him. Trying to fit him into a team of mediocre cricketers is a strange way to go about it.

 

[ataraxia]

I think this hinges upon that if Jadeja was available, SL's team balance would be completely different.

i.e. you can make an argument for every single player over Jadeja individually, but make a quick switch to team balance to accommodate the Lord and you end up with an obviously improved side.

though Dilruwan > Jadeja is sucky (10-point average difference being made up with variety is hb-esque)
and Sandakan / Pradeep / Dhananjaya aren't bowling much anyway, Jadeja can slot in somewhere, steal a few overs without significantly if at all detracting from the batting.

 

[TheJediBrah]

jadeja is an atg; he is not at as good a bowler as herath is, that's misinformation.

the thing is, however, the construction of that team renders jadeja otiose in that everything he does is already fulfilled. dilruwan perera is there bc he turns it the other way to herath, jadeja doesn't do that, jadeja does not replace dilruwan

Your logic is sound, but you're coming to completely the wrong conclusion

 

[Shady Slim]

I think this hinges upon that if Jadeja was available, SL's team balance would be completely different.

yeah this is absolutely my true but this is absolutely my point right - the purpose of the thread is to find someone who'd slide in to every xi, and i don't believe that he does in that xi

Other fact is that if you're a Sri Lanka selector and you have Jadeja available, you pick him first and build the team around him. Trying to fit him into a team of mediocre cricketers is a strange way to go about it.

again i don't disagree but that's not the question

 

[Shady Slim]

Your logic is sound, but you're coming to completely the wrong conclusion

i think we're visualising the ultimate inquiry as different here for the reasons ataraxia posts

the way i'm foreseeing this, it's someone who for every xi you have to be able to find someone in every xi you'd replace for this cricketer. actual xi's, and selections you would replace, not rejigging every xi based around a potential availability - this is why i think the answer is shane watson, can make every, and i do mean every, xi as either an opener, middle bat, all rounder or a bowler

 

[TheJediBrah]

yeah this is absolutely my true but this is absolutely my point right - the purpose of the thread is to find someone who'd slide in to every xi, and i don't believe that he does in that xi

he definitely does though

 

[TheJediBrah]

@honestbharani @h_hurricane @sunilz

Opinions pls, Shady has lost it IMO

 

[ataraxia]

I don't think this is the right way to look at it, but anyway.

Surely Jadeja over Perera is net neutral batting and strong positive on the bowling?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

In the 1930s Grimmett averaged 20.95, O'Reilly averaged 23.60, and Ironmonger averaged 12.98. Why would Australia pick Jadeja?

And with Ponsford, Woodfull, Bradman, McCabe, Brown, Fingleton, (sadly not Archie Jackson) etc they wouldn't have needed his batting.

 

[TheJediBrah]

In the 1930s Grimmett averaged 20.95, O'Reilly averaged 23.60, and Ironmonger averaged 12.98. Why would Australia pick Jadeja?

They wouldn't

 

[Shady Slim]

I don't think this is the right way to look at it, but anyway.

Surely Jadeja over Perera is net neutral batting and strong positive on the bowling?

yeah i did say on the previous page he might get in over perera - thing is i don't think he'd be bowling anyway but there's an argument he jumps perera for that spot on just batting

 

[ataraxia]

They wouldn't

They had real crap bats though aside from Brown/Fingleton/some numpty/McCabe/Kippax. So like a Hendry or so (or Ironmonger) could be replaced. Or even a pacer lol - though there may be one specific early 30s side Jaddu can't make.

edit: for that matter the point is moot because he isn't making 00s Aus - I think.

 

[ataraxia]

yeah i did say on the previous page he might get in over perera - thing is i don't think he'd be bowling anyway but there's an argument he jumps perera for that spot on just batting

He'd bowl over Dhananjaya at the very very least - unless you're a tru h8er.

 

[Shady Slim]

a rider that must be established here: ravi jadeja or pretty much any non marcus harris or travis head cricketer would be the best player in any cricket team that doesn't have bradman from before like 1960 on account of their modern fitness and training regiments, imho, so when you're comparing to some of the vintage teams, one would say you have to compare in some relative sense - because otherwise any modern player instantly makes any xi before like the sixties imho

 

[Athlai]

This is what I wanted

 

[Shady Slim]

He'd bowl over Dhananjaya at the very very least - unless you're a tru h8er.

i've been on the jadeja train since like 2015 and think that he is unequivocally atg, great cricketer across the board generally and has lifted against the biggest and most prized scalp for his side (being oz in oz obvs)

but i also think for a darty offspinner and number six bat (which is what dhananjaya does in that team) they are a push, and in that case you probably give it to the home bloke for the home tour. love how the 2 sides suggested as blocking jadeja have been 30's australia and 2016 sri lanka, you love to see it

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Also would Jadeja get picked for England when they had Verity or Underwood? I doubt it.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

a rider that must be established here: ravi jadeja or pretty much any non marcus harris or travis head cricketer would be the best player in any cricket team that doesn't have bradman from before like 1960 on account of their modern fitness and training regiments, imho, so when you're comparing to some of the vintage teams, one would say you have to compare in some relative sense - because otherwise any modern player instantly makes any xi before like the sixties imho

So Michael Bracewell is a better test player than 1950s Gary Sobers?

 

[Athlai]

Ive heard a rumour Jadeja can bat a bit