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Kapil Dev vs Shakib Al Hasan

Who is the greater test all rounder?

  • Kapil Dev

    Votes: 37 78.7%

  • Shakib Al Hasan

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • Total voters
    47
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Fuller Pilch said:
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Cowie was the best seamer in the world of his era and the modern day 4 have all been ranked in the world's top 5 in recent years. Kapil wasn't better than anyone in the top 8, and the others are marginal. Furthermore Kapil was a medium pace trundler. He was a swing bowler (very similar to Doull in many ways but slower).

Kapil averaged 42 in NZ, 40 in Pakistan, 39 in England, and 37 in SA. Surprisingly did well in Aus and WI.
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Not surprising. Pakistan being Pakistan. SAF is a poor comparison, because by then Kapil was finished. NZ and ENG, batsmen are brought up against fast medium bowlers who hoop it around. Kapil was another one of the. WI and AUS batsmen were brought up on fast, short bowling, and we can expect them to struggle against bowlers who swing and seam it around, bowls up to the bat and gives, and much slower allowing batsmen to follow the ball with the hands, rather than leaving it.
 
Burgey

Burgey

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On his last tour of Aus he took 25 wickets at 25 against what was developing into a more than decent Aus batting line up. That was a couple of years out from his retiring so he had probably slowed down a bit. Only McDermott took more wickets that series.
 
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Fuller Pilch

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On his last tour of NZ he took 5 at 61 against a useful (but not great) top 6 of Franklin, Wright (in his golden run as 2nd best opener behind Gooch), Jones, Crowe, Greatbatch, Rutherford and a strong 7-9. Also scored 55 runs @ 13.75 vs Hadlee and Morrison.
 
Burgey

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Fmd remember when John Wright went on that tear and became world class when he should have been thinking about retirement? One of the more outrageous late career blossoming
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Migara said:
Not surprising. Pakistan being Pakistan. SAF is a poor comparison, because by then Kapil was finished. NZ and ENG, batsmen are brought up against fast medium bowlers who hoop it around. Kapil was another one of the. WI and AUS batsmen were brought up on fast, short bowling, and we can expect them to struggle against bowlers who swing and seam it around, bowls up to the bat and gives, and much slower allowing batsmen to follow the ball with the hands, rather than leaving it.
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Do not divert the Aritro-burgey "discussion" ffs.
 
Aritro

Aritro

International Regular
Burgey said:
Then keep at it by all means. Whatever brings peace to your fragile little mind.

Are you his cousin or something? How do you maintain any semblance of balance with a chip that big on your shoulder? You bring in this dross replete with all these contradictions, then don't like being called out on it.

You did concede things. You started off by saying everything I said in the thread had been complete bollocks, then agreed with me about Kapil, for one thing. Then you conceded the decks they prepare leave them unprepared to play away.

They're concessions. Of course they are. How can't you see that? If you say "Everything X has said here is bollocks" then turn around and agree with something they've said, then you've conceded that point. As Benny Elias once said "It's not rocket surgery."
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Jesus Christ, you're embarrassing yourself now.

I didn't agree with you about Kapil Dev. In your rush to find things to rebut with, you convinced yourself I did. I can't concede a point I didn't actually make for ****'s sake.

And your point about the decks was that he "dumps it into pre-prepped rough", and "moon-sized craters" at home. I debunked this **** by pointing out he's mostly played on home decks that are not like that.

And then because you know nothing about the subject yourself, you cited other people saying the way Deshi tracks are made leaves them unprepared for away decks. Yeah, because they're slow and low, not because they often contain "pre-prepped rough" and "moon-sized craters". Which is what you claimed. And was wrong.

Basically what you're reduced to now is some utterly feeble triumphalism about me conceding a point about Dev I didn't actually make. And another one you didn't actually make. And some splitting hairs about whether your first three posts in this thread were "complete bollocks" or "slightly less than complete bollocks".

This has been one of the most singularly piss-poor displays of sabre-rattling and dumb as dogshit argumentation I've ever seen on this forum and you should be embarrassed. And all this because you decided to kick off because you couldn't deal with being called out.

Never mind, you'll have better days than this. Now jog on, idiot.
 
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Gob

Gob

International Coach
Aritro said:
Jesus Christ, you're embarrassing yourself now.

I didn't agree with you about Kapil Dev. In your rush to find things to rebut with, you convinced yourself I did. I can't concede a point I didn't actually make for ****'s sake.

And your point about the decks was that he "dumps it into pre-prepped rough", and "moon-sized craters" at home. I debunked this **** by pointing out he's mostly played on home decks that are not like that.

And then because you know nothing about the subject yourself, you cited other people saying the way Deshi tracks are made leaves them unprepared for away decks. Yeah, because they're slow and low, not because they often contain "pre-prepped rough" and "moon-sized craters". Which is what you claimed. And was wrong.

Basically what you're reduced to now is some utterly feeble triumphalism about me conceding a point about Dev I didn't actually make. And another one you didn't actually make. And some splitting hairs about whether your first three posts in this thread were "complete bollocks" or "slightly less than complete bollocks".

This has been one of the most singularly piss-poor displays of sabre-rattling and dumb as dog**** argumentation I've ever seen on this forum and you should be embarrassed. And all this because you decided to kick off because you couldn't deal with being called out.

Never mind, you'll have better days than this. Now jog on, idiot.
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Hmmm
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Aritro is a good poster tbh. Found him great value even in various tour threads where he could have gotten snappy due to either our collective kiwi whinging or the series being a bit of a meme.

Shakib is an arse and I'd like to check which tours he skipped before defending him too hard, but he is undeniably an ATG allrounder. Rating Kapil ahead of him is fine but you don't need to pretend Shakib is rubbish to argue the point.

Burgey going for his trademark wind up falling flat here. Punching down only works when the underdog is obnoxious.
 
CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

State Vice-Captain
South Asia XI : 1) Sunil Gavaskar 2) Virender Sehwag 3) Rahul Dravid 4) Javed Miandad 5) Sachin Tendulkar 6) Kumar Sangakkara 7) Imran Khan 8) Kapil Dev 9) Wasim Akram 10) Waqar Younis 11) Muttiah Muralitharan
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
CricketFan90s said:
South Asia XI : 1) Saeed Anwar 2) Sunil Gavaskar 3) Rahul Dravid 4) Javed Miandad 5) Sachin Tendulkar 6) Kumar Sangakkara 7) Imran Khan 8) Kapil Dev 9) Wasim Akram 10) Waqar Younis 11) Muttiah Muralitharan
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Sehwag >>> Anwar

Pretty good team apart from that
 
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