Viv Richards vs Sachin Tendulkar

[subshakerz]

Fact remains majority of those who saw Richards in his heyday rate him higher. Make of that what you want. Same goes for Lillie. All who played with/ against him or saw him play, almost unanimously put him at the top.

And, in before trundler points out Benaud rating Tendulkar higher; I said “majority”.

I do believe peer rating matters but I think both Richards and Tendulkar rank high on this score. And I don't think it is clear cut that the majority who saw Viv and Tendulkar play go for Viv. Certainly not in Australia where Tendulkar was revered from very early on and frequently called the 'best since Bradman'.

As for Lillee, the fact is if he debuted a decade later he would not have been hailed the way he was. He built his reputation in the 70s in a less crowded field

 

[_00_deathscar]

I mean I’d rather watch Pant bat than everyone else. That doesn’t make him better than everyone else, just more entertaining.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I used to buy into that "pressure of a billion people" line seriously when I was like 19, now I find it annoyingly cringe.

Yea beyond a certain point the numbers don’t really matter.
I do think there is something to be said though with regards to pressure in a country where your house is stoned etc when you don’t perform.

 

[Johan]

tbh I think the gap in poll happens via the fact that internet os mostly built by 18-24 YO who would generally rate mid 2000s and early 2010s things over things from 70s and 80s , like Star Wars Prequels.over originals sort of thing e.t.c.

also by peer rep I'll have to say both Richards and Tendulkar are neck to neck , don't need to say anything about Tendulkar as there is an entire image with praise from his peers but Viv also was called the best ever by Lara , Wasim and warne which was the next gen from viv's perspective.

 

[Migara]

No way Sehwag was better than Sachin against spin

Every way he was. The amount of disrespect and the way he trash talked spinners, and then backed it up with performances was incredible.

 

[Migara]

Saqlain would disagree

Not only Saqlain, Murali also will disagree. MacGill went on to say "it didn't matter whether he picked the googly or not, he just didn't care"
Warne was too much full of him self to disagree.

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin destroyed Warne in the late nineties in one series but normally was moderately aggressive against spinners. Never got on top of Murali in his prime either.

Sehwag was ultra aggressive against all spin, including Murali in his prime plus Warne and MacGill.

 

[Kirkut]

I would pay to watch Sachin even over Viv. Some of the shots that Sachin played to perfection can't be played by anyone else.

That backfoot punch to the covers beats his straight drive easily

Yea beyond a certain point the numbers don’t really matter.
I do think there is something to be said though with regards to pressure in a country where your house is stoned etc when you don’t perform.

That's cliched as well. Sure, house stoning back then was a real thing but more of an annoyance than a fearful stimulus to perform.

 

[Gob]

Every way he was. The amount of disrespect and the way he trash talked spinners, and then backed it up with performances was incredible.

Nah. He was aggressive against spin yes but he also got out to them playing **** shots far more for my liking especial when the ball started to turn towards the later parts of the game. He would go on to play play the same expansive drives and get bowled through the gate or sky balls.

 

[subshakerz]

That's cliched as well. Sure, house stoning back then was a real thing but more of an annoyance than a fearful stimulus to perform.

Someone who is playing for their place will face far greater pressure than Sachin who is undroppable.

 

[Migara]

Nah. He was aggressive against spin yes but he also got out to them playing **** shots far more for my liking especial when the ball started to turn towards the later parts of the game. He would go on to play play the same expansive drives and get bowled through the gate or sky balls.

Aggressive us an understatement. He was murderous. He was the Viv of playing spin. I haven't recall any time he was done by a spinner, but rather by himself. There were many times Sachin was done fair and square by Murali, but Shewag only fell when Murali pulled the defensive agme especially in ODIs.

 

[Coronis]

Fact remains majority of those who saw Richards in his heyday rate him higher.

This tends to happen a lot just in general though, with all sports. Unless there’s a massive gap in quality, people will almost always rate a player they grew up watching and may have been influential in them becoming a fan of a sport than anyone coming later. For example for me, growing up watching McGrath and Warne, I doubt I’d ever be able to rate other bowlers (especially Aussies) as superior unless there was a significant gap in their averages (but who knows, maybe thats just me). Like for example McGrath vs Cummins, even if Cummins maintains his current average (0.01 difference) over a similar career length I’d still take McGrath every day of the week.

I do agree though that Viv at his absolute best was better than Sachin at his absolute best, but thats not how I rate cricketers.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Someone who is playing for their place will face far greater pressure than Sachin who is undroppable.

There were and have been far more calls to drop Sachin than there ever were for Kohli.

 

[ankitj]

tbh I think the gap in poll happens via the fact that internet os mostly built by 18-24 YO who would generally rate mid 2000s and early 2010s things over things from 70s and 80s

As I pointed out earlier, back in 2009 this forum ranked Tendulkar above Viv Richards.

 

[honestbharani]

Daily reminder that Lara > Sachin > Viv.

 

[trundler]

tbh I think the gap in poll happens via the fact that internet os mostly built by 18-24 YO who would generally rate mid 2000s and early 2010s things over things from 70s and 80s , like Star Wars Prequels.over originals sort of thing e.t.c.

also by peer rep I'll have to say both Richards and Tendulkar are neck to neck , don't need to say anything about Tendulkar as there is an entire image with praise from his peers but Viv also was called the best ever by Lara , Wasim and warne which was the next gen from viv's perspective.

Sobers and Hobbs ranked ahead of both while Viv tops on here Lara too. Only Viv fans resort to appeals to this kind of subjective ethereal logic.

 

[CricAddict]

Daily reminder that Lara > Sachin > Viv.

Head>Wade is much more reasonable. Lara is a great and I love him but he is not greater than Sachin and Viv.

 

[honestbharani]

Head>Wade is much more reasonable. Lara is a great and I love him but he is not greater than Sachin and Viv.

Nah.. he is definitely the better test match batsman for me.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I think it's a bit of an insult to cricket fans to suggest that ranking three as close as Viv, Tendulkar and Lara in any specific order indicates generational bias. That sort of thing is reserved for kiddywinks who think BTS are more important to music history than The Beatles.

 

[ankitj]

Daily reminder that Lara > Sachin > Viv.

Ok