Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

[TheJediBrah]

Averaged 19 at home, 25 away. And Pakistan supposed to be a hard place for fast bowlers

brah

inb4 "reverse swing good in Pakistan", yeah when you destroy one side of the ball it is lol

 

[subshakerz]

Averaged 19 at home, 25 away. And Pakistan supposed to be a hard place for fast bowlers

brah

inb4 "reverse swing good in Pakistan", yeah when you destroy one side of the ball it is lol

Away averages of Kapil, Vaas and Srinath: 32, 32 and 33

Home averages of Kapil, Vaas and Srinath: 26, 26 and 26.

Wow, would you look at that? Guess Pakistanis aren't the only tamperers around.

 

[trundler]

Averaged 19 at home, 25 away. And Pakistan supposed to be a hard place for fast bowlers

brah

inb4 "reverse swing good in Pakistan", yeah when you destroy one side of the ball it is lol

He averaged 23 or so away before he became a specialist batsman. He has 10 wicket hauls in each of Australia, New Zealand, England and West Indies. He took big series hauls to draw in West Indies and Australia and won Pakistan a historic series in England. I realise he played before 1995 and didn't play for Australia so I don't expect you to know anything about him.

 

[h_hurricane]

The number 69 has a special place for Imran.

He debuted in FC in the year 69.
He took 69 wickets in lost test matches.
He took twice 69 wickets in drawn test matches.
The decimal of his test batting average is 69.
He took 1794 wickets in FC and List A combined, which is an exact multiple of 69.
He was dismissed 483 times in FC, which is an exact multiple of 69.
He bowled 19458 deliveries in tests, which is an exact multiple of 69.
He batted 966 times in FC and List A combined, and guess what, that is an exact multiple of 69.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

On the topic of who is the best ever, Sobers, Imran, Kallis and Miller are generally regarded as the 4 greatest all rounders ever.

Here are some stats which give some interesting insights. Stats without context admittedly.

Batting average to bowling average ratio

Sobers - 1.6979
Kallis - 1.6959
Imran - 1.6523
Miller - 1.6095

Runs per match * wickets per match

Sobers - 218.23
Imran - 177.96
Miller - 166.23
Kallis - 140.82

Sobers is regarded by most as the best allrounder is history for a good reason. He didn't just had a great gap between batting and bowling averages, he also impacted matches to a higher degree than others with more runs and wickets at the quality we are talking here.

WPM is totally unnecessary.Miller was leagues,leagues above Sobers as a bowler.Just that he played in arguably the best team ever whereas Sobers just bowled more and took wickets at a bowling average of 34 at SR of 91.

 

[Coronis]

Oh please everyone in cricket history has been tampering with the ball. Up until recently, where so many cameras makes it extremely hard.

 

[Victor Ian]

Somehow Imran snuck those home umpires on those foreign tours where he did well too

bottlecaps are free carry-on

 

[smash84]

bottlecaps are free carry-on

The other teams were just not good enough with bottle tops

 

[Migara]

Procter Better Batsman, and Far Better Fielder.?

Imran as a bowler alone better than Proctor. Peopel don't realize how bad ass was Imran withe the ball.

 

[Migara]

On the topic of who is the best ever, Sobers, Imran, Kallis and Miller are generally regarded as the 4 greatest all rounders ever.

Here are some stats which give some interesting insights. Stats without context admittedly.

Batting average to bowling average ratio

Sobers - 1.6979
Kallis - 1.6959
Imran - 1.6523
Miller - 1.6095

Runs per match * wickets per match

Sobers - 218.23
Imran - 177.96
Miller - 166.23
Kallis - 140.82

Sobers is regarded by most as the best allrounder is history for a good reason. He didn't just had a great gap between batting and bowling averages, he also impacted matches to a higher degree than others with more runs and wickets at the quality we are talking here.

I would go with Sobers > Imran > Kallis > Miller.

Number of players vs average is not a linear realtionship. So is batting average vs number of players. However bowling average tapers off pretty rapidly. There are more 55+ averaging batsman (Average + 25) than sub 20 (average - 10) bowlers, even considering that batsmen are 1.75 times more numerous.

 

[Migara]

The other teams were just not good enough with bottle tops

They were good with Jellybeans

 

[Jayro]

Averaged 19 at home, 25 away. And Pakistan supposed to be a hard place for fast bowlers

brah

inb4 "reverse swing good in Pakistan", yeah when you destroy one side of the ball it is lol

I have witnessed some of that great umpiring when I first started watching cricket in 89- 90 or 91 guess,it was very obvious during those days.

 

[honestbharani]

PFK Vs Migara should be tasty here... odd saltshakerz whingepost notwithstanding.

 

[mr_mister]

This is 1980s.

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****ing ridiculous numbers for Imran.

What I found interesting here is how close Hadlee's Runs per test stat is next to Imran despite batting lower in the order generally. (I would say usually 7-8 compared to Imran's 6-7). At first glance, yes Imran is streets ahead due to the superior average, but I wonder if he was a bit of a red inker when batting with the tail while Hadlee just hit out, selflessly

 

[Victor Ian]

I don't agree with hitting out selflessly. Sort of. You might be red inking while farming the strike and even hitting out but just have really **** teammates, or you might be given singles so the bowlers get a shot at the tail.
But my memory is that hadlee hit out a lot more than Imran. Just not so sure red ink is selfish.

 

[ankitj]

What I found interesting here is how close Hadlee's Runs per test stat is next to Imran despite batting lower in the order generally. (I would say usually 7-8 compared to Imran's 6-7). At first glance, yes Imran is streets ahead due to the superior average, but I wonder if he was a bit of a red inker when batting with the tail while Hadlee just hit out, selflessly

Runs per test:
Imran: 45
Hadlee: 38.5

Runs per innings:
Imran: 34.2
Hadlee: 25.5

Big difference.

 

[mr_mister]

Runs per test:
Imran: 45
Hadlee: 38.5

Runs per innings:
Imran: 34.2
Hadlee: 25.5

Big difference.

Is that full career or from that table/the 80s

 

[ankitj]

Is that full career or from that table/the 80s

80s

Also proportion of not outs:

Imran: 22.5%
Hadlee: 17.5%

 

[mr_mister]

So are you saying 5% is not a big difference for not outs but 6.5% is a big difference for the runs per test?

 

[ankitj]

So are you saying 5% is not a big difference for not outs but 6.5% is a big difference for the runs per test?

I don't have to say that because their runs per innings itself has a big delta. Not that not outs have anything to do with averages.