Where will Steve Smith end up being ranked?

[Gob]

we aren’t judging the Don based on his non-existent white ball record though are we

I certainly don't but majority do. Step out of here and see how many people still think Kohli and Williamson are comparable to Smith

 

[Slifer]

Similar to how stupid fans rank Anderson above Marshall.

Yeah I don't take any person who ranks Anderson above Walsh, let alone Marshall seriously.

 

[Chrish]

Tendulkar averaged 59 in 156 games from 1993-2010 for 17 years. Sobers averaged 65 in 75 games from 1958-1973 for 15 years..

It’s easy to get carried away a bit when rating current players due to recency bias..

 

[Gob]

Tendulkar averaged 59 in 156 games from 1993-2010 for 17 years. Sobers averaged 65 in 75 games from 1958-1973 for 15 years..

It’s easy to get carried away a bit when rating current players due to recency bias..

If you are going to look at good chunks of other players, we may as well do the same for Smith. From 2014 to 2019, Smith made 5600 runs at 75. Its pointless to compare Smith's whole career to other players good bits

 

[trundler]

If you are going to look at good chunks of other players, we may as well do the same for Smith. From 2014 to 2019, Smith made 5600 runs at 75. Its pointless to compare Smith's whole career to other players good bits

That's 6 years compared to 15+ though.

 

[Slifer]

That's 6 years compared to 15+ though.

So like I said, we should wait til he's done and look at his career in it's entirety like we do with everyone else. I'm not a fan of this chunking stuff.

 

[Chrish]

If you are going to look at good chunks of other players, we may as well do the same for Smith. From 2014 to 2019, Smith made 5600 runs at 75. Its pointless to compare Smith's whole career to other players good bits

Yes, but my point is there have been few players whose peak had lasted longer than Smith’s entire career so far. What he has achieved so far with the career average of 60 has been done before.

 

[Gob]

That's 6 years compared to 15+ though.

Yeah I noticed that. My point still stands though if you are going to look at good bits of one player, you should do the same for the other. Smith's own career is only 12 years

 

[Gob]

Yes, but my point is there have been few players whose peak had lasted longer than Smith’s entire career so far. What he has achieved so far with the career average of 60 has been done before.

Exactly they were peaks. We should compare someone's peak to another one's peak. In Smith's case its 75.

 

[Chrish]

Exactly they were peaks. We should compare someone's peak to another one's peak. In Smith's case its 75.

Yeah but as above poster mentioned, you are looking at huge time gaps. Average of 72 (it’s 72 by the way) vs 59 is impressive but you are looking at 3 times the number of years.

 

[Gob]

Ftr Tendulkar is an extreme case. His longevity makes him the 2nd best for me

 

[Chrish]

Smith would have a case if he plays close to 120 games and finish with average of 60.

 

[Gob]

Yeah but as above poster mentioned, you are looking at huge time gaps. Average of 72 (it’s 72 by the way) vs 59 is impressive but you are looking at 3 times the number of years.

No it isn't

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I'm not going to compare anyone to Tendulkar. He is the second best for me purely based on the longevity. But Sober's volume of games are definitely comparable as far as we are going with the amount of games being played not the career span

 

[Chrish]

No it isn't

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I'm not going to compare anyone to Tendulkar. He is the second best for me purely based on the longevity. But Sober's volume of games are definitely comparable as far as we are going with the amount of games being played not the career span

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Mine yielded 72. I did jan 1st 2014 to Dec 30 2019

 

[Gob]

Smith would have a case if he plays close to 120 games and finish with average of 60.

Again that isn't necessary. No one touted as the second best average that high. Tendulkar's own average is 53 wasn't it. Sobers 57 and Viv almost didn't average 50. There are many other factors in play to get that honour like great innings, great series performances, performances against great bowlers etc.

 

[Gob]

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Mine yielded 72. I did jan 1st 2014 to Dec 30 2019

Peak lasted from 2015 BG trophy to 2019 Ashes. He was good for two years either side of it. Lets not go to 2010/11 Ashes

 

[trundler]

So like I said, we should wait til he's done and look at his career in it's entirety like we do with everyone else. I'm not a fan of this chunking stuff.

I think it's fair when the chunk is effectively as long as a full career. Eg Barrington effectively played 10 years and averaged marginally higher than Sobers overall but Sobers averaged 75 over the same timespan.

 

[Slifer]

The only way for chunking to be remotely fair, is by percentage. If one is going to look at X amount of tests for a Sachin for example, one would have to look at a similar percentage of tests for Smith. That is assuming there is a large enough sample size for the latter.

I still think we wait and see how this all ends. As it is, Smith has done more than enough to be in the discussion: great series/monster series, great vs spin and pace and great away. Consistent vs all comers (40+ average vs all teams) etc

 

[ZK$]

Smith has probably already surpassed Viv and Lara for me or is at least really close to surpassing them, but Tendulkar and Sobers had huge periods of time averaging 60.

Tendulkar had an 18 year stretch averaging 60, while Sobers had a 15 year stretch averaging 65.

Smith has to maintain that average of 60 for a lot longer to join that tier.

 

[Slifer]

Smith has probably already surpassed Viv and Lara for me or is at least really close to surpassing them, but Tendulkar and Sobers had huge periods of time averaging 60.

Tendulkar had an 18 year stretch averaging 60, while Sobers had a 15 year stretch averaging 65.

Smith has to maintain that average of 60 for a lot longer to join that tier.

With all due respect, neither Sobers nor Sachin are in some exalted tier above the rest. Sobers is not the undisputed best WI batsman. Sachin is probably that for India but he's not without good competition from Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond etc. Just about the only thing he has above them is longevity.