Fuller Pilch
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I said Kallis v S Pollock, not Hadlee v S Pollock. I'd go Kallis tests (just) and Pollock ODIs (by a lot).Hadlee has Shaun Pollock covered very comfortably IMO
I said Kallis v S Pollock, not Hadlee v S Pollock. I'd go Kallis tests (just) and Pollock ODIs (by a lot).Hadlee has Shaun Pollock covered very comfortably IMO
Kallis got smacked quite a few times too. Most of the time, a team can get by with four bowlers and a part-time fifth bowler. Kallis is better than most fifth bowlers but let's not overrate the stock bowler slot.A lot of emphasis being placed on importance to the team. That has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with what kind of **** their team can be.
Hadlee could not always contribute to his team in batting, whereas Kallis always contributed to keeping his teams bowlers fresh, while snagging a couple of wickets himself.
Most importantly, Kallis was not a wanker.
Shaun Pollock is even more underrated than Kallis.I said Kallis v S Pollock, not Hadlee v S Pollock. I'd go Kallis tests (just) and Pollock ODIs (by a lot).
It depends.You are really going to put Kallis in your side over arguably the greatest seam bowler ever because Kallis can bowl some stock overs well? That is the deciding factor?
I don't mind benching Kallis the slow bat and dibbly dobbly bowler every game while Hadlee cleans up shop.
Nobody here is overrating Hadlee's batting. He would be make a fine no.7/8 for any side.People overrate hadlee's batting. If Kallis got smashed in bowling at times, so too did hadlee fail as a bat at times.
. . .Nobody here is overrating Hadlee's batting.
I think you just didHe would be make a fine no.7/8 for any side.
I would wager Hadlee would be more valuable even in the current Indian team.It depends.
If I am choosing all time Xi, neither would make it as I have other players of my liking. If I am choosing them for current Indian team, I would pick Kallis to improve current batting. If I am choosing for 2000s Indian team, I would pick someone like Hadlee to strengthen bowling.
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Here is an example of Kallis scoring 95 with SR of 27. Team won both game and a series in india which was considered “final frontier” by even great Aussie team..
Fair enough.Number 7 is one spot too high for someone who averages 27 over his career. He will make a perfect No 8.
Point being, I think all posters are treating Hadlee's batting more as a bonus than game changer. . .
I think you just did
Against the 2 best bowling attacks of his era:People overrate hadlee's batting. If Kallis got smashed in bowling at times, so too did hadlee fail as a bat at times.
Its really not, I mean, I think someone mentioned Ashwin earlier in the thread, he really is a perfect comparison, would you call his batting a game changer? Or even blokes like Healy and Marsh?Point being, I think all posters are treating Hadlee's batting more as a bonus than game changer
That dumb troll post almost made me salty enough to vote for Kallis out of spite but I think it's clearly Hadlee - he'd make my top five.Hadlee won matches.
Come on no soft votesHadlee's bowling>Kallis batting to the extent that cannot be compensated by their weaker suit. But Kallis being such a great cricketer did not deserve to lose by such a large margin and hence, got my vote.
Still think he qualifies as an all rounder, despite his relatively poor consistency with the bat.Like couple of posters have pointed out earlier, this is not a great comparison. Kallis should be compared with a proper all-rounder.
Hadlee is a pace bowling great and arguably among the top 5 pacers in the history of the game. But his batting is just a bonus for the team.