The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Burgey]

Bracken over Lee any day

Lillee over both of them tbh. Lee is one of the great myths of world cricket in any format. Bloke was a licence to leak runs in ODIs, even though he was a prolific wicket taker.

 

[Red]

I'm going with McGrath, Lillee and Starc. People can pick Lee if they want, but you can't tell me Lillee isn't a totally better bowler, more adaptable, much better skills. An ATG with an excellent record in the format's formative years.

Not selecting McGrath in an Aust XI is madness. Possibly first picked. The others are arguable, but he isn't.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I'd go Aus A

Gilchrist (wk)
Watson
Ponting (c)
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Hussey
Warne
Starc
Lillee
McGrath

Aus B

Warner
Hayden
M Waugh
G Chappell
Clarke (c)
Maxwell
Carey (wk)
Hogg
Johnson
Lee
Bracken

 

[Red]

No Bevan?

I've expressed my thoughts on this before, think he's a bit overrated in the format. Hussey does the same role better imo, but that's debatable. And I'd rather include Symonds and Watson as ARs. After that he's not displacing either of Ponting or Jones imo.

I'm always including Ponting, Symonds, Waugh and Hussey as an elite inner ring.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I've expressed my thoughts on this before, think he's a bit overrated in the format. Hussey does the same role better imo, but that's debatable. And I'd rather include Symonds and Watson as ARs. After that he's not displacing either of Ponting or Jones imo.

I'm always including Ponting, Symonds, Waugh and Hussey as an elite inner ring.

Kerry O'Keefe agreed with you

 

[Red]

I'd go Aus A

Gilchrist (wk)
Watson
Ponting (c)
Jones
Symonds
Bevan
Hussey
Warne
Starc
Lillee
McGrath

Aus B

Warner
Hayden
M Waugh
G Chappell
Clarke (c)
Maxwell
Haddin (wk)
Hogg
Johnson
Lee
Bracken

Aus A

M Waugh
Gilchrist
Ponting
Jones
Symonds
Hussey
Watson
Warne
Starc
Lillee
McGrath

Aus B

Hayden
Warner
G Chappell
Bevan
S Waugh
Maxwell
Haddin
S O'Donnell
Hogg
Lee
Bracken

 

[Red]

Kerry O'Keefe agreed with you

about Bevan? must be showing my senility!

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. McGrath is one of, if not the, first picked ODI player in history from any country

AT 11 bowling without Mcgrath
Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Akram, Saqlain, Garner.

 

[Zinzan]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. McGrath is one of, if not the, first picked ODI player in history from any country

If you're an Australia, yes he may be first pick for many. If not, you'd find the majority of educated cricket fans would pick Garner first as evidenced by multiple polls on this forum alone over the years.

 

[Jayro]

Not including above bowlers, a not popular- or alternate all time best for mine would be - Ambrose, Donald, Fannie de villiers and Muralidharan, Donald and Murali would do the striking , Fannie and Ambrose would contain any so-called-agressive bat, for a fifth one can include Pollock again a good container with good strike rate also, but this unit will not be a very good batting tail.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If you're an Australia

I'm a person

 

[Victor Ian]

If you're an Australia, yes he may be first pick for many. If not, you'd find the majority of educated cricket fans would pick Garner first as evidenced by multiple polls on this forum alone over the years.

I little education is dangerous. They are not educated enough to account for lowest scoring era versus highest scoring era. Bolding that part of the post completely changes the context, which was correct, as it was.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I'm a person

A country person ?

 

[Coronis]

A country person ?

Nothing wrong with a country person y’all

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Nothing wrong with a country person y’all

Did anyone say otherwise?

 

[TheJediBrah]

city boys

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Southern Hemisphere vs Northern Hemisphere

I'd say only 6 or 7 guaranteed picks on each side - others could be argued about. Would be a great game.

SHXI

G Smith
M Hayden
D Bradman (c)
J Kallis
S Smith
G Pollock
A Gilchrist (wk)
R Hadlee
S Warne
D Steyn
G McGrath


NHXI

J Hobbs
L Hutton
V Richards
S Tendulkar
B Lara
G Sobers
I Khan (c)
A Knott
M Marshall
C Ambrose
M Muralitharan

Northern with the better openers, but overall SH has better batting (due to Bradman and Gilchrist). The main 4 bowlers are equal but Sobers is a better 5th bowler than Kallis.

 

[Red]

2nd SHXI

B Richards
B Lawry
R Ponting
G Chappell
K Williamson
AB DeVilliers
K Miller
M Procter
B OReilly
D Lillee
A Donald

2nd NHXI

H Sutcliffe
S Gavaskar
R Dravid
K Sangakkara
E Weekes
C Walcott
K Dev
W Akram
A Roberts
J Garner
J Laker

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

2nd SHXI

B Richards
B Lawry
R Ponting
G Chappell
K Williamson
AB DeVilliers
K Miller
M Procter
B OReilly
D Lillee
A Donald

2nd NHXI

H Sutcliffe
S Gavaskar
R Dravid
K Sangakkara
E Weekes
C Walcott
K Dev
W Akram
A Roberts
J Garner
J Laker

Victor Trumper instead of Lawry and Sydney Barnes for sure better than Laker by a good distance.Until and unless Barnes is in your 1st xi,I don’t know why he won’t even make the 2nd xi despite being perhaps the best bowler who ever lived.

 

[Slifer]

2nd SHXI

B Richards
B Lawry
R Ponting
G Chappell
K Williamson
AB DeVilliers
K Miller
M Procter
B OReilly
D Lillee
A Donald

2nd NHXI

H Sutcliffe
S Gavaskar
R Dravid
K Sangakkara
E Weekes
C Walcott
K Dev
W Akram
A Roberts
J Garner
J Laker

Excuse me but yeah that second southern xi is missing a certain Allan Border over Kane anyway of the week. Or even Steve Waugh.