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Donald Bradman's average

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Lohmann 10.75, 6.22
JJ Ferris 12.70, 6.78
Barnes 16.43, 7
Turner 16.53, 5.94
Peel 16.98, 5.05

Its no coincidence either that they all played in an era when a great batsman averaged 35-40. Not at all comparable to Bradman.
Ferris, Turner and Peel played in the same era of Lohmann's. Turner and Peel averaged 50% more. Its like a comparison between Marshall and Srinath.
Ferris played only 5 years and less than 10 matches, and his FC avg is 17+ whereas Lohmann averaged 13+.

Barnes played in a different era and he was leagues ahead of the contemporaries with best avg and 7 WPM.
 

nick-o

State 12th Man
Hakuho is as close as anyone to a Bradman-esque record. Not just the greatest sumo wrestler ever, but by a huge margin: 45 championships compared to the next-best with 32 (and this in a sport with some sort of statistics going back 100 years further than test cricket), more wins than anyone ever, longest career as yokozuna ever.

The Washington Post reported on his retirement: "The greatest figure in sports, maybe ever, just retired."


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mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Was reading a lot about 80s/90s NHL recently. I get the vibe Mario Lemieux was essentially right up there with Gretzky, in terms of goal and point strike rate and ability, but gets rekt by him on aggregate records due to constant injuries, he never completed a full season in a 20 year career. Basically Gretzy had the longevity factor but in terms of quality/average, he wasn't Bradman tier dominance

Also, there was like a team of the year named at the end of every season, and Gretzy missed out on this team a lot, a few times to Lemieux who played his position. Can't imagine Bradman missing out on the #3 batsmen of the year many years he was playing
 

trundler

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Hakuho is as close as anyone to a Bradman-esque record. Not just the greatest sumo wrestler ever, but by a huge margin: 45 championships compared to the next-best with 32 (and this in a sport with some sort of statistics going back 100 years further than test cricket), more wins than anyone ever, longest career as yokozuna ever.

The Washington Post reported on his retirement: "The greatest figure in sports, maybe ever, just retired."


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This fella is definitely a contender.
 

Migara

International Coach
I've looked for examples in other sports as well, to compare. There is nothing like Don Bradman, when it comes to statistical outliers I'm aware of. Not Babe Ruth, not Pele, not Wilt or Russell. He's a standard deviation, in statistical performance, above all of them as well, and one of a kind in modern sporting history. So the answer to OP, is no.
This is grossly wrong. First the methodology is wrong. They have taken standard deviation of batting averages, where the distribution is Poisson. Secondly even with this, Jahangir Khan's rally of 554 wins is a much bigger outlier. There was a Australian female squash player who had equally or more bad ass outlier properties than Khan.


For each activity analyzed in each sport studied the main results were the Z-score and performance ratio of the rank 1 performer. .
 

Chrish

International Debutant
Level of competition is much lower in Squash. Same thing with cricket: you got 4-5 countries playing it it decent level. It was even lower back in the day.

if squash was popular worldwide like Soccer for example, I doubt we would have seen similar dominance like Jahangir Khan or Heather McKay.

For similar reasons, cross-sport comparison is fool’s errand. You can only compare two sports that have similar level of popularity and hence number of people interested in competing.
 

Migara

International Coach
Level of competition is much lower in Squash. Same thing with cricket: you got 4-5 countries playing it it decent level. It was even lower back in the day.

if squash was popular worldwide like Soccer for example, I doubt we would have seen similar dominance like Jahangir Khan or Heather McKay.

For similar reasons, cross-sport comparison is fool’s errand. You can only compare two sports that have similar level of popularity and hence number of people interested in competing.
Actually cricket became a world level competition only after India joined in. Then it creating a player pool in from 25% of global population, compared to less than 5% before that.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
Actually cricket became a world level competition only after India joined in. Then it creating a player pool in from 25% of global population, compared to less than 5% before that.
India has population but very poor training infrastructure compared to developed countries. That’s part of the reason, they have started producing quality pace bowlers only recently.
 

Migara

International Coach
India has population but very poor training infrastructure compared to developed countries. That’s part of the reason, they have started producing quality pace bowlers only recently.
Pace bowling is only one aspect of cricket. They produce batsmen and spinners at a rate others cannot match.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
Growing up every Indian kid has probably played some street cricket with tennis ball.. But that’s where it ends. In USA for example, there are all sorts of scholarships available for any promising players right from high-school for basketball, baseball etc.

In india or other SC countries, opportunities like this don’t exist (or may be they do but no one really knows). Point is in developed countries, process to fast-forward talented young players is much more streamlined. Asian countries in general have a limited talent pool despite large population due to economic reasons and limited resources..
 

Slifer

International Captain
Isn’t Wayne Gretzky the closest someone is to being as much of an outlier in their sport as Bradman is in his?
Not really tbh. Gretzky average wise, isn't that far ahead of Gordie Howe or Mario Lemieux. Bradman I'd twice as good as what a great batsman averages. That's nuts.
 

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