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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Gob
International Coach
Kallis with Jadeja for a start.
Coronis
International Coach
Assuming its tests, at least 7, perhaps 8 players on that team are easily replaceable by clearly better players.
TheJediBrah
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Thakzz has got to be a multi, but I don't think any established members are clever enough to be this entertaining
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
No clearly Better replacements for Sunny, Sachin, Akram and Steyn.
JBMAC
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Just ran across this article Fascinating yarn Thought some may be interested
Shane Warne and Tom Wills
I was sitting at the bar in a Sydney hotel and the fellow next to me said, “I read that Shane Wayne has been recongised in this year’s Queen’s Birthday Honours List as an officer of the Order of Australia. It was a real shame that Shane Warne passed away so tragically. He was probably our greatest bowler.”
“Yes,” I said, “I was a great fan of Shane Warne too. But Australia’s first great cricketer was also a fantastic bowler and he also passed away tragically. Tom Wills was his name. He came from Melbourne as well.”
“Really!” said the friendly fellow at the bar.
“Tom Wills grew up in the 1840s”, I said. “He learnt to play cricket as a boy in country Victoria. His father sent him to the prestigious Rugby school in England. He joined the Rugby cricket team at 16 years of age and got a man out on his first bowl. Several months later on his debut at Lord’s, he took 12 wickets in the match. He got to play for Cambridge University at age 19, even though he wasn’t a student. On returning to Australia, he led Victoria to a number of sensational victories against New South Wales,” I said.
“I was reading about Wills”, I said, “in the new book ‘What a Capital Idea – Australia 1770-1901 (www.reynoldlearning.com) and there I discovered that it was Tom Wills who put together the Aboriginal cricket team that went on to tour England in 1868. Living in the country as a child, Wills spoke three Aboriginal languages. And it was Wills who took an Aboriginal game called ‘marngrook’ and turned it into the Australian Rules football game.”
“But Wills suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD),” I continued, “and drank heavily. You see, he went with his father up to Queensland in 1861 when his father took over his brother’s property. While Tom was away in Brisbane getting supplies, Aborigines slaughtered his father and the group of 28 people, including the women and children. Six years later Tom put together the Aboriginal cricket team and held no racial grudge. His mental state, however, never recovered.”
“In 1880, Tom tried to give up alcohol but suffered delirium. He escaped from the hospital, went home and stabbed himself to death.”
“Today, there is the Tom Wills Room in the Melbourne Cricket Ground’s Great Southern Stand and there is also a statue of him outside the MCG. So I could not help thinking of Tom Wills’ tragic death on the news of Shane Warne’s recent demise.”
“My goodness,” said the fellow at the bar, “what an incredible story.”
“There are lots of Interesting Characters discussed in What a Capital Idea,” I said. “It is worth having a read.” https://reynoldlearning.com/australian-history/
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Shane Warne and Tom Wills
I was sitting at the bar in a Sydney hotel and the fellow next to me said, “I read that Shane Wayne has been recongised in this year’s Queen’s Birthday Honours List as an officer of the Order of Australia. It was a real shame that Shane Warne passed away so tragically. He was probably our greatest bowler.”
“Yes,” I said, “I was a great fan of Shane Warne too. But Australia’s first great cricketer was also a fantastic bowler and he also passed away tragically. Tom Wills was his name. He came from Melbourne as well.”
“Really!” said the friendly fellow at the bar.
“Tom Wills grew up in the 1840s”, I said. “He learnt to play cricket as a boy in country Victoria. His father sent him to the prestigious Rugby school in England. He joined the Rugby cricket team at 16 years of age and got a man out on his first bowl. Several months later on his debut at Lord’s, he took 12 wickets in the match. He got to play for Cambridge University at age 19, even though he wasn’t a student. On returning to Australia, he led Victoria to a number of sensational victories against New South Wales,” I said.
“I was reading about Wills”, I said, “in the new book ‘What a Capital Idea – Australia 1770-1901 (www.reynoldlearning.com) and there I discovered that it was Tom Wills who put together the Aboriginal cricket team that went on to tour England in 1868. Living in the country as a child, Wills spoke three Aboriginal languages. And it was Wills who took an Aboriginal game called ‘marngrook’ and turned it into the Australian Rules football game.”
“But Wills suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD),” I continued, “and drank heavily. You see, he went with his father up to Queensland in 1861 when his father took over his brother’s property. While Tom was away in Brisbane getting supplies, Aborigines slaughtered his father and the group of 28 people, including the women and children. Six years later Tom put together the Aboriginal cricket team and held no racial grudge. His mental state, however, never recovered.”
“In 1880, Tom tried to give up alcohol but suffered delirium. He escaped from the hospital, went home and stabbed himself to death.”
“Today, there is the Tom Wills Room in the Melbourne Cricket Ground’s Great Southern Stand and there is also a statue of him outside the MCG. So I could not help thinking of Tom Wills’ tragic death on the news of Shane Warne’s recent demise.”
“My goodness,” said the fellow at the bar, “what an incredible story.”
“There are lots of Interesting Characters discussed in What a Capital Idea,” I said. “It is worth having a read.” https://reynoldlearning.com/australian-history/
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Slifer
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Umm Allan Davidson? And I presume you meant Bruce Reid? Would also replace O'Keefe with Bill Johnston since Bill could bowl left arm orthodox as well. And any of Lawry, Langer or Morris to replace home track bully Warner. Better left handed team:
Hayden
Lawry
Khawaja
Harvey
Hussey
Border*
Gilchrist +
Davidson
Starc
Johnston
Reid
Coronis
International Coach
World Left Handed XI
Hayden
Smith
Sangakkara
Lara
Border*
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Shakib
Davidson
Wasim
Johnson
I think thats the strongest batting lineup but yeah I went a bit personal on the bowling to include Shakib and Johnson. Peak Johnson was just so good and I’d love to see him and Wasim running in from opposite ends. Still think it kinda works with both Sobers and Shakib bowling spin but I love that Shakib too.
Hayden
Smith
Sangakkara
Lara
Border*
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Shakib
Davidson
Wasim
Johnson
I think thats the strongest batting lineup but yeah I went a bit personal on the bowling to include Shakib and Johnson. Peak Johnson was just so good and I’d love to see him and Wasim running in from opposite ends. Still think it kinda works with both Sobers and Shakib bowling spin but I love that Shakib too.
Gob
International Coach
Ffs
Slifer
International Captain
If this is of all time then Underwood, Lock or yeah even Jadeja over Shakib.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Also G Pollock instead of Border and Wagner for Mitchell Johnson.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Left handed A
Hayden
Smith (c)
Sangakkara
Lara
G Pollock
Sobers
Gilchrist (wk)
Davidson
Wasim
Wagner
Verity
Left handed B
Lawry
Morris/Anwar/Kirsten
Harvey
Hill/Hussey
Border (c)
Chanderpaul
Flower (wk) (Perhaps Pant in a few years and then Flower as a specialist bat)
M Johnson
Vaas/Starc/Boult
Underwood/Herath
Reid
Hayden
Smith (c)
Sangakkara
Lara
G Pollock
Sobers
Gilchrist (wk)
Davidson
Wasim
Wagner
Verity
Left handed B
Lawry
Morris/Anwar/Kirsten
Harvey
Hill/Hussey
Border (c)
Chanderpaul
Flower (wk) (Perhaps Pant in a few years and then Flower as a specialist bat)
M Johnson
Vaas/Starc/Boult
Underwood/Herath
Reid
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I forgot Verity. Will edit my XI
Slifer
International Captain
Crap I forgot all about Graeme Smith. Yeah him ahead of Anyone not named Hayden.