Adjusting the batting average based on actual quality

[subshakerz]

Most batsmen end up with averages that are fairly reflective of their overall skill and worth to the side. But there are cases where the disparity is too extreme to take their numbers seriously on face value. So this thread is about trying to give our own adjustments based on what we think suits the player, bumping up or down.

To bump up, I would think Atherton should have an average of 43/44 rather than the 37 he ended up with. He faced all of the best pace pairings of the 90s in their prime as opener, arguably was the most tested batsman in cricket history.

To bump down, I would choose Mohd Yusuf, taking him from 52 to around 44. One of the clearest flat track bullies and fairweather batsmen I have ever seen and doesnt deserve a higher average than so many greats.

 

[Burgey]

Adam Voges should probably be adjusted up to around 75* or so

*down to less than 40

 

[BazBall21]

Most batsmen end up with averages that are fairly reflective of their overall skill and worth to the side. But there are cases where the disparity is too extreme to take their numbers seriously on face value. So this thread is about trying to give our own adjustments based on what we think suits the player, bumping up or down.

To bump up, I would think Atherton should have an average of 43/44 rather than the 37 he ended up with. He faced all of the best pace pairings of the 90s in their prime as opener, arguably was the most tested batsman in cricket history.

To bump down, I would choose Mohd Yusuf, taking him from 52 to around 44. One of the clearest flat track bullies and fairweather batsmen I have ever seen and doesnt deserve a higher average than so many greats.

Yeah Yousuf was a good player but clearly a major beneficiary of one of the best periods to be a batsman. Even in a batting era he failed against the three strongest bowling sides. Statpadded heavily with some very soft runs and then hardly played during his decline. Quite annoying that he averages more than Root. Madness he averages more than the likes of Viv and Ponting.

For someone who deserved/warranted averaging more, maybe Mohinder Amarnath on the basis he was born in the wrong continent and was arguably one of the great players of pace bowling but he was very inconsistent at home. Alec Stewart as well averaged in the mid-40s when batting in the top 3 and that was whilst playing almost entirely in the 90s. Better than Cook for example against pace and should always have played as a specialist opener.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah Yousuf was a good player but clearly a major beneficiary of one of the best periods to be a batsman. Even in a batting era he failed against the three strongest bowling sides. Statpadded heavily with some very soft runs and then hardly played during his decline. Quite annoying that he averages more than Root. Madness he averages more than the likes of Viv and Ponting.

For someone who deserved/warranted averaging more, maybe Mohinder Amarnath on the basis he was born in the wrong continent and was arguably one of the great players of pace bowling but he was very inconsistent at home. Alec Stewart as well averaged in the mid-40s when batting in the top 3 and that was whilst playing almost entirely in the 90s. Better than Cook for example against pace and should always have played as a specialist opener.

Amarnath is a good shout. He deserves a late 40s average at least.

 

[BazBall21]

Always enjoy adjusted average style activities and was going to do one myself earlier this week when needing something to do on a plane journey.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Ravi Bopara: 99.95

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bradman deserved 100.00, and he would have got it too if it weren't for those meddling kids

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Martin Crowe deserved to average over 50.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Jesse Ryder on talent deserved to average late 40s with the bat, score 20+ 100s, and average mid 30s with the ball. Jesse Ryder on effort put in didn't deserve to play international cricket.

 

[srbhkshk]

Bradman deserved 100.00, and he would have got it too if it weren't for those meddling kids

*meddling sticks

 

[BazBall21]

Martin Crowe deserved to average over 50.

Yeah a lot of mitigating circumstances went against him and he certainly looks like a 50+ level player.

 

[mr_mister]

Frank Worrell another who deserves to average above 50. His record batting in the top 5 is close to 60

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Mark Waugh was much better than an average of 41.81 would indicate. Only had a top score of 153* so never got those daddy 100s to boost his average, but was up with the best in.the world in the 90s.

 

[BazBall21]

Warrants a higher average:
Peter May
Martin Crowe
Graham Thorpe
Mohinder Amarnath
Neil Harvey
Ajinkya Rahane


Warrants a lower average:
Mahela Jayawardene
David Warner
Ian Bell
Thilan Samaraweera
Tom Latham
Desmond Haynes

 

[BazBall21]

Barrington was a great player but not convinced his average isn’t a bit inflated. Record at home to quality attacks is quite patchy. Have always loved Everton Weekes who averaged the same as Barrington but he had a similar problem, overseas instead of at home.

 

[mr_mister]

Barrington was a great player but not convinced his average isn’t a bit inflated. Record at home to quality attacks is quite patchy. Have always loved Everton Weekes who averaged the same as Barrington but he had a similar problem, overseas instead of at home.

And that's before we get into his FC record

 

[mr_mister]

Shane Warne felt more useful a test bat then his average of 17. When he passed 50 he often made it to like 80 and looked at ease doing it.

 

[BazBall21]

And that's before we get into his FC record

Haha yeah, that never bothers me much but you wonder if batting in FC was tougher than some of the conditions he got in Tests.

Interestingly Ted Dexter also has a really disappointing FC record. Could see him having a similar issue to Gower, lacking motivation for CC once his England place was secure but could be incorrectly disrespecting the great man there.

 

[BazBall21]

Cricket was obvs a bit different back then and we will never quite know how these guys would perform in the modern era but batsmen like Clem Hill, Arthur Shrewsbury and Victor Trumper’s respective averages were worth a lot more back then. Stanley Jackson has also done very well in a lot of adjusted average activities I’ve seen.

 

[thakzz]

Batsman average what he average, how it change?

We can not just say "he should average more"...if he should, then he should have played better. Bets players have best average, simple.