SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
At least we drubbed them good when they had their ‘initial’ reset.
Kyle Mayers got these dudes batting like rabbits
Kyle Mayers got these dudes batting like rabbits
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*Official* 2022 New Zealand Tour of England, Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands
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nzfan
International Vice-Captain
All of the chat centered around Bracewell is distracting other major problems we have. Potts bowling to a well settled Black Caps batting side has done commendably well in comparison to our very experienced faster bowlers barring maybe Kyle and Boult. I get it Southee, Boult must be tired as bowling overs after overs in every test particularly since the last test but bowling to a fairly inexperienced England batting line up they were expected to be much better. Nicholls has been an absolute hit and miss for a very long time. Even some of his best knocks of late have come courtesy many dropped chances. Kane I get it, the elbow and what not. Still a legend and continue to bat him wherever he likes till the time he thinks he had enough. Rest of the batters haven't earned that right, maybe Latham has and Conway has too although it's been a short career.
Love Wags but his skill now has moved to swinging the ball and nicking off players. No one is going to be shaking playing short stuff from him. In fact they will look forward to it. He still has a place but on green decks at home. He has the skills to move the ball around and pick wickets but on flat tracks don't think you can rely on him anymore like we used to in the past.
Love Wags but his skill now has moved to swinging the ball and nicking off players. No one is going to be shaking playing short stuff from him. In fact they will look forward to it. He still has a place but on green decks at home. He has the skills to move the ball around and pick wickets but on flat tracks don't think you can rely on him anymore like we used to in the past.
Agreed. The Australian one was hard to watch, but it wasn't unexpected. All the talk pre-tour was that we'd have the upper hand, and our top order should be more stable than theirs with two similar bowling line-ups. And in the end, all it took was Brendon to instill the right approach in the right XI, and they've crapped all over us - most notably in the big moments. So poor.
I also can't think of a tour or series where one coach so thoroughly outboxed the other in terms of selection and match approach. You swap those coaches around, I reckon you get the same 3-0 result (as long as you allow Baz to select our XI).
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Imagine the insecurity that's been created for so many players by this management, Ajaz, Wagner, Kyle (thrown out of the t20s after couple of games or three), Bracewell, Seifert, Phillips, Young (opening rather than keep him in the middle order), Ravindra.... the list goes on and on. High chances they would have replaced Blundell with Cam too. I can see there's a scape goat for this series coming up, likely the least experienced or the youngest of the squad getting shafted.
Simple question, we had Ajaz, Ravindra, Sommerville and Phillips as spinners over in India. Phillips was Sommerville's understudy and didn't get to play. Ravindra played and I think he was one of the better players for us in India. Bowling in India and against those players they still had to treat him with respect. Out goes Phillips, Ravindra and in comes Bracewell. Why and how? In that time Bracewell was bowling overs after overs and not taking many wickets and neither scoring runs in red ball. He was having a great super smash in the meantime. Gary and Larsen thought he will be able to do that vs International sides in a totally different format. I still can't get about the bowling bit, sure he was scoring runs in super smash but his bowling was nowhere but then they opted for him for test squad. In fact they kept him on as the 16th man. The squad was supposed to be 15 men. They were so convinced he had to be made place for at any cost is the message I get but why? I think by the first test they had decided Ajaz was not going to play much part.
If you look deeper and analyze this management has made so many blunders it's terrible. Took a well functioning side and screwed it up. Damn sure no player would have been talked to by the captain, coach or selectors. Pretty sure Gary wouldn't be meeting eye with Ajaz or Bracewell. They have left them high and dry.
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Chubb
International Regular
Australia was worse. That was arguably the strongest most experienced team NZ ever fielded.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Especially since we've had the wood over England in test cricket for the last five or so years - it's not one of our bogie series like Australia or touring India or SA.
Of course, we haven't been absolutely slaughtered like happens on those tours. But we've comfortably lost against a flawed team that is playing with far more purpose and coherence than us, while we look worse in both matchplay and leadership/selection every time an opposition applies pressure.
Days of Grace
International Captain
We have ourselves to blame for some of the worst selection calls I can remember. It would be hard to imagine making a better start to your job if your mandate was to take the no.1 test team down to the bottom half of the table by 2023.
But it also goes without saying that we have come up against a massive "new manager bounce", as they say in the premier league. If the regime change hadn't happened, I could easily see the exact reverse in the series scoreline and a lot of cracks papered over. We have also been "unlucky" to be on the receiving end of 3 of the greatest innings played. Root's ton in the first test and Bairstow's two centuries will probably be in my top 100 (currently working on a reboot).
But it also goes without saying that we have come up against a massive "new manager bounce", as they say in the premier league. If the regime change hadn't happened, I could easily see the exact reverse in the series scoreline and a lot of cracks papered over. We have also been "unlucky" to be on the receiving end of 3 of the greatest innings played. Root's ton in the first test and Bairstow's two centuries will probably be in my top 100 (currently working on a reboot).
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm not really so disappointed, let's not forget that Baz has instilled the entire English team with the most crucial of game changers - performance enhancing drugs.
I don't get this, and never will. It's a major flaw of Kane's captaincy reign.
I would imagine Gary Stead is about to find out how quickly the tide can turn in terms of public opinion, and probably internal opinion as well.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Despite all of these I'm still excited and think there's still a chance tomorrow. Maybe the pitch will break even more, hopefully some rain to spice up the deck, a bit of benefit of doubt to Kane for picking Bracewell and hope he reposes the faith by talking couple of poles. Maybe Bracewell will bowl like a beast. Wags to bounce the team out.... You never know ?????
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I don't think so, not from the expectation side of things. That got knocked out by the South African thrashing after passing off the Bangladesh loss as 'one of those things'. Been clear since then that the team , while good on paper, is absolutely rotten to its core in practice.
I was predicting 2-1, but wasn't sure which way based on England's historically bad batting nadir. NZ have met my expectations, England have over-performed my expectations. Turns that to a 3-0.
thierry henry
International Coach
As **** as we've been in so many ways, applying "normal" cricket logic we were pretty much winning every test after 3 innings (combined with being way in front of the game at various points both deep into the 3rd innings and deep into the 4th innings).
Inability to take 4th innings wickets has been the difference between a 3-0 win and a 3-0 loss. Not sure what my point is (ever really) beyond pointing this out, but yeah.....even this shambolic version of the Black Caps sweeps the series just with standard 4th innings bowling quality.
Inability to take 4th innings wickets has been the difference between a 3-0 win and a 3-0 loss. Not sure what my point is (ever really) beyond pointing this out, but yeah.....even this shambolic version of the Black Caps sweeps the series just with standard 4th innings bowling quality.
thierry henry
International Coach
No no I do know. We lose.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Going through some of my predictions, I had predicted 2-0 in our favour or 1-1. I did expect the middle order of Root, Bairstow and Stokes to cause us trouble. I thought our bowling will be a problem, didn't expect Bracewell to be in the squad but I thought Southee and Boult on the back of IPL will struggle. That is still true to certain extent. I expected Devon Conway and Kane to score plenty of runs but got that wrong. I thought Ajaz will play a big part but has bowled 2 overs.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
You've been screaming this from day one of the test series, you saw it coming but I don't know how. I admit it was annoying to read.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Unfortunately. While I think the team is rotten. I don't think there is a quick (player replacement) fix. I suspect that pretty much all of the experienced core are down about 10%, nothing really noticable except Kane. But 10% x about 7 players adds up to a lot. Kane down by 50% adds up to 1 normal player.
Top order runs and old ball bowling (even without a spinner). Have been a real strength of the team the last 6 or so years. Traditionally, these have been real weak areas for NZ, but have really bucked the trend. I see the looming old-ball bowling gap as the toughest gaps to fill.
Top order runs and old ball bowling (even without a spinner). Have been a real strength of the team the last 6 or so years. Traditionally, these have been real weak areas for NZ, but have really bucked the trend. I see the looming old-ball bowling gap as the toughest gaps to fill.
thierry henry
International Coach
Surely the actual WTC side was stronger....the two obvious duds (Raval and Santner out) replaced by Conway and Jamieson, pretty much the two hottest things going in world cricket at the time.
thierry henry
International Coach
lol you don't need to admit that my posting is annoying on my behalf, it's clearly very annoying
Chubb
International Regular
Hope Leach's success means the media show more respect going forward. As per usual they fall back on lazy stereotypes about village cricket and treat him like an amusing novelty, when they should recognise his skill and drive to compete, the kind of drive they claim Crawley and his ilk display even when failing repeatedly.