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Rahul Dravid vs Javed Miandad

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Rahul Dravid

    Votes: 35 74.5%

  • Javed Miandad

    Votes: 12 25.5%
  • Total voters
    47
subshakerz

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
shortpitched713 said:
There's no need for an explanation, as the stat, and the implicit charge underlying it is devoid of context or specific evidence of wrongdoing. It's pretty well known that there are numerous examples of suspicious results and instances where away teams were hardly done by and seemed to play 11 v 13.

Why would Miandad alone, or sometimes Pakistani players at home, or sometimes subcontinent players in general at home be more highly penalized or scrutinized than others absence of specific evidence of wrongdoing? Surely if the system of umpiring could lead to horribly biased results, then we'd have to negatively scrutinize all player records prior to 1995 and the institution of neutral umpiring.

Pointing to a single player's home record, as if he was the don of all of Pakistan during that time to get that much influence over umpires, seems oddly conspiratorial.
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Yes. Even if we acknowledge that the umpiring was a factor, how do you quantify it? And if you can't, then why should Miandad be extra discredited? Especially compared to batsmen who had their own era advantages.
 
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Anil

Hall of Fame Member
OverratedSanity said:
It's too tedious to look up individual players LBW stats from that era to compared, but I think Miandad's numbers stand out pretty badly. I have no evidence, but I'm just saying it's very interesting ? ? ? ?

He has questions to answer etc.
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it wasn't just miandad and it wasn't just the batsmen, the entire team including the bowlers benefited from the umpiring largesse through a large swathe of the 80s...
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Interestingly Zaheer Abbas (who admittedly started and finished a bit earlier than Miandad) averaged 58.19 at home and 36.87 away. I wonder about his LBW stats as well. He really struggled vs WI and NZ (averaged below 20 against both) and in India, but dominated India when they played in Pakistan. He did really well in England however (56).
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
Migara said:
Rahul Dravid - SAF, ENG, NZ, AUS - Away - 48.54
Javed Miandad - ENG, AUS, NZ, WI - Away - 46.38

Against four of the best sides, at their homes. Absolutely nothing to take home of.
(Umpiring factor removed)
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If this equivocation is right, then Dravid is a fair bit ahead, at least away.

Ya, rate better oppontents as more important if you want. But entirely ignoring a vastly bettee record against weaker teams doesn't make sense, even.if the B swuad is weaker
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
If this equivocation is right, then Dravid is a fair bit ahead, at least away.

Ya, rate better oppontents as more important if you want. But entirely ignoring a vastly bettee record against weaker teams doesn't make sense, even.if the B swuad is weaker
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No, he's not as he played in an easier batting era.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
Fuller Pilch said:
No, he's not as he played in an easier batting era.
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I am not saying equivocating the top 4 is correct. I am not sure, but think I probably rate Miandad better in this comparison, averages not withstanding.

I am saying that if the top 4 are equal, Dravid is better. Outside of the top 4 as stated, he is obviously significantly better, irrespective of how lowly you rate the opposition... performances against weaker teams still count for something, even if it is less meaningful. Dravid is undeniably better away outside this top 4 comparison.
 
Gob

Gob

International Coach
I like jedibrahs contributions in this thread. Should be the blue print for all other threads
 
CodeOfWisden

CodeOfWisden

U19 Vice-Captain
Surprised to see people rating Dravid in a different league.

I will say it's Dravid but by a small margin.

Dravids record in Aus is bad actually - as bad as Miandad in WI.
He only made runs against a weak Aus side and even Dizzy and Lee were injured for some part AFAIK.


But yes one thing which people here are forgetting about Dravid is that he also did extremely well against the Windies when Curtly, Courtney and Bishop were there.

Ind tour of WI 97

This is where I think Dravid scores one on Miandad and also the fact that Miandad hardly got lbw in Pak.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
CodeOfWisden said:
Surprised to see people rating Dravid in a different league.

I will say it's Dravid but by a small margin.

Dravids record in Aus is bad actually - as bad as Miandad in WI.
He only made runs against a weak Aus side and even Dizzy and Lee were injured for some part AFAIK.


But yes one thing which people here are forgetting about Dravid is that he also did extremely well against the Windies when Curtly, Courtney and Bishop were there.

Ind tour of WI 97

This is where I think Dravid scores one on Miandad and also the fact that Miandad hardly got lbw in Pak.
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Dravid had the single best Ever match performance by an Indian ever in Australia, in a series we were able to draw
 
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