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*Official* Australia tour of Sri Lanka 2022

TheJediBrah

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Yeah the obvious thing about this is that Maxwell typically faces far less balls than Marnus before he gets out.

You can name him "at 7" and still bring him around the 35-40 over mark whenever a wicket falls if you need to. That's exactly what his role should be. Just putting the higher strike rate bats up the order in case they literally never get out is stupid.
PEWS gets it. If Aus lose their second wicket at 2-300 in the 42nd over, Maxy's going to come in, not Marnus. Better to look at his role not as a no. 7 but as the guy that comes in ideally after over 35.
Agree on t20, ODI is ridiculous. Saying smith isn't needed in ODI's is the same as saying root isn't needed in odi's, or kane isn't needed in ODI's. The 3 of them average well over 50 at 3 and are a huge part of their respective team's success.
This too. It was just a few series ago that Smith made consecutive 60-ball hundreds against India
 

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, no. Maxwell's recent ODI revivl has been due to him batting 7 normally or 5 when were 3/270 in 40 or something like that. Maxwell averages 27 when you move him to 3 and 4, and performs best when he's given a clear, defined role in the team. Moving him now would be counterproductive. We haven't had a decent no.4 since bailey in the 2015 world cup, and the constant swapping of smith between 3 and 4 with guys like handscomb, ussie etc did more hurt than good for the team.


Agree on t20, ODI is ridiculous. Saying smith isn't needed in ODI's is the same as saying root isn't needed in odi's, or kane isn't needed in ODI's. The 3 of them average well over 50 at 3 and are a huge part of their respective team's success.
Yes, I agree on ODI being a bit harsh from my side. But Smith still has to up his game since the ODIs are also going the T20 way nowadays with hitting starting right from ball one.
 

Nintendo

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Yes, I agree on ODI being a bit harsh from my side. But Smith still has to up his game since the ODIs are also going the T20 way nowadays with hitting starting right from ball one.
Does root need to up his game and start hitting from ball one? Root's ability to score at @90 batting 3 is what allows the rest of england's lineup to go bonkers and score 400+. You could argue that marnus maybe isn't needed and somoene like inglis, but morgan strikes at 92, marnus strikes at 91, both lineups are fine.
 

CricAddict

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Does root need to up his game and start hitting from ball one? Root's ability to score at @90 batting 3 is what allows the rest of england's lineup to go bonkers and score 400+. You could argue that marnus maybe isn't needed and somoene like inglis, but morgan strikes at 92, marnus strikes at 91, both lineups are fine.
But England has just one Root while all the others hit around him. They won't be getting that 400+ if there were two which is what Australia has. I am saying either one of Smith or Marnus is surplus when you need 300+ to defend nowadays. With Marnus having added ability to bowl, I was thinking Smith could be the one to be taken out.
 

TheJediBrah

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But England has just one Root while all the others hit around him. They won't be getting that 400+ if there were two which is what Australia has. I am saying either one of Smith or Marnus is surplus when you need 300+ to defend nowadays. With Marnus having added ability to bowl, I was thinking Smith could be the one to be taken out.
Marnus has only been in the team for a few series, and in and out. Smith is a way better ODI batsman than Marnus, who should be behind all of Head, Khawaja and MMarsh in the ODI team. This is a ridiculous suggestion tbh.
 

Nintendo

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Marnus has only been in the team for a few series, and in and out. Smith is a way better ODI batsman than Marnus, who should be behind all of Head, Khawaja and MMarsh in the ODI team. This is a ridiculous suggestion tbh.
Khawaja is dogshit when he doesn't open, averages 54 opening and under 30 when he doesn't. Head averages mid 31 when he doesn't open. Both of them have a sample size as large as marnus down the order and haven't performed to standard. Head is already in the squad as a backup opener and khawaja is 36, don't think CA want there backup opener to be 36 when both of there actual openers are the same age, leaves them with no expeienced openers when we move to the 2027 WC cycle. Wouldn't mind seeing marsh at 4, but he's already the prefered #5, i'm not a huge fan of
3.Smith
4.Marsh
5.Stoinis
6.Carey, that 4 to 6 look REALLY patchy vs spin.
 

Nintendo

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Also, can I just say that i'm really confused by the messaging CA have put out in regards to head and green. Head was sent to go play in the A-team 4 day match so he could go get red ball match practice, as CA believed he wasn't necessary in the ODI Squad. Green isn't able to bowl, and was originally selected in the main ODI squad as a backup. The selector's and coaching staff where fully aware green can't bowl until the 3rd ODI. I don't see why you would have green stay back and head go out for the A-game initially if when stoinis and marsh are injured you recall head from the A-game and play him over green.

Green's 23 and has one overseas tour under his belt, head is 28 and has 4-5 under his belt now, including multiple SC tours. I feel that it would be better to send green to the A-team during the first 2 odi's over head, especially when it's clear they prefer head as a middle order option. Whole situation just doesn't make sense to me.
 

social

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Yeah the obvious thing about this is that Maxwell typically faces far less balls than Marnus before he gets out.

You can name him "at 7" and still bring him around the 35-40 over mark whenever a wicket falls if you need to. That's exactly what his role should be. Just putting the higher strike rate bats up the order in case they literally never get out is stupid.
Maxwell is an atg in white ball stuff and has rarely had a role other than to smack it everywhere

220 in odis used to be a great score

Now 350+ isn’t safe

Marnus is irrelevant in today’s game while Smith is there & every ball that he faces while Maxwell is in the shed is a complete waste

Game has changed
 

TheJediBrah

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Khawaja is dog**** when he doesn't open, averages 54 opening and under 30 when he doesn't. Head averages mid 31 when he doesn't open. Both of them have a sample size as large as marnus down the order and haven't performed to standard. Head is already in the squad as a backup opener and khawaja is 36, don't think CA want there backup opener to be 36 when both of there actual openers are the same age, leaves them with no expeienced openers when we move to the 2027 WC cycle. Wouldn't mind seeing marsh at 4, but he's already the prefered #5, i'm not a huge fan of
3.Smith
4.Marsh
5.Stoinis
6.Carey, that 4 to 6 look REALLY patchy vs spin.
I don't see Stoinis keeping his spot in a full strength team, or if Marsh is available
 

Nintendo

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I don't see Stoinis keeping his spot in a full strength team, or if Marsh is available
Yeah no obviously marsh is at 5 in a full strength team, not stoinis. Thought your post way saying marsh could bat 4 over marnus instead of 5, my b if that's not what you ment.
 

Prince EWS

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Maxwell is an atg in white ball stuff and has rarely had a role other than to smack it everywhere

220 in odis used to be a great score

Now 350+ isn’t safe

Marnus is irrelevant in today’s game while Smith is there & every ball that he faces while Maxwell is in the shed is a complete waste

Game has changed
None of that is relevant to the batting order. We can all agree Maxwell is better than Marnus, but betterererer = highererer is low IQ nonsense. Get outta here.
 

social

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None of that is relevant to the batting order. We can all agree Maxwell is better than Marnus, but betterererer = highererer is low IQ nonsense. Get outta here.
Non existent IQ is batting Marnus ahead of Maxwell in white ball cricket

Maxwell is a much better player

End of
 

Prince EWS

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Non existent IQ is batting Marnus ahead of Maxwell in white ball cricket

Maxwell is a much better player

End of
.... you literally seem to think being better automatically means you should bat higher. It's really not worth engaging further.
 

TheJediBrah

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Yeah no obviously marsh is at 5 in a full strength team, not stoinis. Thought your post way saying marsh could bat 4 over marnus instead of 5, my b if that's not what you ment.
Marsh should be ahead of Marnus regardless of what position they bat from 3 to 7
 

Shady Slim

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nah social is right imho

odi marnus is just what if odi smith was quantifiably worse, he's unnecessary in our fullstrength team
 

TheJediBrah

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Swepson is junk. Dump him. It will be a disaster if he plays Tests ahead of Agar. Even Kuhnemann would be better.
 

Nintendo

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Swepson is junk. Dump him. It will be a disaster if he plays Tests ahead of Agar. Even Kuhnemann would be better.
I mean swepson averages over 40 in list A and MATTY has outperformed him when bowling for the same state, swepson should never have been prioritising international white ball matches.
 

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