Greatest ODI Batsmen

[Burgey]

Firstly, it's a wry sort of half-smile/ grimace which comes from your team mate choking not being a surprise. Secondly, he's actually performing the Sehwag maneuver, which is a more aggressive take on the Heimlich.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

No it doesn't. Wins don't contribute to player rankings.

How is it calculated then?

Also, Why is Lara higher in 1998 when Sachin was galaxies ahead?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Still, Sehwag played well that game. As with 2011 though, Sachin gassed up.

You can see Viru in this pic, trying to help Sachin.

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Weird they're dressed as Wiggles, but you get my point.

Sachin never believed in face saving knocks. Its do or die to him.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Any of Kohli, Sachin, Viv, ABdV or even Bevan have a claim.

Maybe even Rohit

 

[_00_deathscar]

Sachin vs Virat

Even in that comparison Virat is much more dominating that Sachin. Only reason for me to rank him lower than Sachin is that he has not finished his career and we are not sure how severe will be the terminal dip.

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As of right now, Virat isn't close to Sachin. He's a clear distance behind. So if your stats are telling you otherwise, I'd suggest having a cold, hard look into those.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Any of Kohli, Sachin, Viv, ABdV or even Bevan have a claim.

Maybe even Rohit

Rohit no.. Dhoni may be ( especially considering his versatility.. Bevan + Klusner in lower order, Viv or Sachin in top order )

 

[PaulLennon]

Viv played 18 years of ODI cricket. An enormously long career. The primary reason he has fewer runs is because ODIs were played less frequently than in the 90s when India realized how lucrative they were and scheduled 3 ODIs every week in Sharjah. Your "volume of work" argument thus makes no sense.

Do you think James Anderson is a greater bowler than Malcolm Marshall in tests? He has twice the wickets and the difference in avg is only slightly more than it is between Viv and Sachin in ODIs. No you dont think that because that'd be ****ing stupid and I'm confident even you aren't that stupid. Sachin has other arguments going for him, this aint it. Longevity should primarily be a measure of career span., just comparing number of games across eras is silly.

being very very disingenuous here.

the comparison doesn't make sense. The gap between Anderson and Marshall's bowling average in tests is 5.6. And Anderson has 1.7 times the wickets Marshall does and 1.4 times 5 wicket hauls.

the average gap between sachin and viv is 2.17. Sachin has 2.74 times Viv's runs and 4.45 times the centuries.

For Anderson to have similar ratios with Marshall vis a vis Sachin and Viv he'd have to take 1030 wickets at an average of 23.11 with 98 5 wicket hauls. That would make him the greatest bowler ever. These ridiciluous figures kind of give an indication of how far ahead Sachin is.

 

[OverratedSanity]

being very very disingenuous here.

the comparison doesn't make sense. The gap between Anderson and Marshall's bowling average in tests is 5.6. And Anderson has 1.7 times the wickets Marshall does and 1.4 times 5 wicket hauls.

the average gap between sachin and viv is 2.17. Sachin has 2.74 times Viv's runs and 4.45 times the centuries.

For Anderson to have similar ratios with Marshall vis a vis Sachin and Viv he'd have to take 1030 wickets at an average of 23.11 with 98 5 wicket hauls. That would make him the greatest bowler ever. These ridiciluous figures kind of give an indication of how far ahead Sachin is.

Whats disingenuous is pretending the example I gave has to be a perfect one to one match with viv/Sachin while ignoring the point I was making . The point was that Sachin has so many more runs primarily because the bcci scheduled more odis in the 90s than WI did in the 80s. Just like how Anderson outstrips every pace bowler in history on volume because the ecb makes him play more tests than anyone else.

The whole "volume of runs" thing is a nonsense argument because it's not even a longevity thing here it's just primarily a difference in the board's priorities as the game got more lucrative.

 

[Nikhil99.99]

Virat is a better run scoring machine than Sachin ever was.At this stage I will put virat convincingly over Sachin.If he doesn’t have a downfall like in tests he is no doubt a better batsman for me.The guy averaged 77 scoring 5K runs at his peak.
Needs to win WC and be the man to do it like Viv did to get over Viv and be the greatest of all time in ODI.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Virat is a better run scoring machine than Sachin ever was.At this stage I will put virat convincingly over Sachin.If he doesn’t have a downfall like in tests he is no doubt a better batsman for me.The guy averaged 77 scoring 5K runs at his peak.
Needs to win WC and be the man to do it like Viv did to get over Viv and be the greatest of all time in ODI.

Kohli's avg is in the same league of Sachin, Viv and AB.
But Strike rate is not that great.. Its in the league of Lara / Ponting.

Also AB managed better avg and far better SR when they played together.. ie 75% of Kohli's career.

 

[harsh.ag]

Kohli had the best chasing peak ever. That's his legacy.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kohli's played 3 WCs and not been anywhere close to even the top 5 batsmen in any of them. Second tier ODI great until he corrects that.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kohli had the best chasing peak ever. That's his legacy.

Best chaser stats
80s Viv
90s Sachin
00s Dhoni
10s ABdV

 

[harsh.ag]

Best chaser stats
80s Viv
90s Sachin
00s Dhoni
10s ABdV

Not stats. It's about the games he won. Dhoni is up there too ofc. But doing it from #3 is a very different and tougher ball game than from #5-7.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Best chaser stats
80s Viv
90s Sachin
00s Dhoni
10s ABdV

Bevan was a better chaser than Sachin in the 90s. Sachin was great at setting up innings though.

 

[Calm_profit]

Meh Tendulkar had bad loi record in 1990's outside Asia,it's after 2000 he improved it.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Bevan was a better chaser than Sachin in the 90s. Sachin was great at setting up innings though.

They were doing it differently.
And Sachin was the team in 90s, his contribution was immense be it target setting or chasing.
Take the example of Record breaking 314 chase against PAK,
Sachin started counter attack from ball 1. Because he knew, he is the only one capable of bringing down the runrate. His 40+ score made the chase possible.

 

[PaulLennon]

Whats disingenuous is pretending the example I gave has to be a perfect one to one match with viv/Sachin while ignoring the point I was making . The point was that Sachin has so many more runs primarily because the bcci scheduled more odis in the 90s than WI did in the 80s. Just like how Anderson outstrips every pace bowler in history on volume because the ecb makes him play more tests than anyone else.

The whole "volume of runs" thing is a nonsense argument because it's not even a longevity thing here it's just primarily a difference in the board's priorities as the game got more lucrative.

yes but sachin didnt just have lots of runs. he had lots of runs at an average of an ATG. quality and quantity.

anderson, kapil, cook etc the volume argument can be made cause their volume of wickets/runs is huge but there are loads of pacers/openers of the same era with a better average.

sachins average is one of the highest for odi batsmen until the 2010s when odi averages in general swelled.

 

[TheJediBrah]

being very very disingenuous here.

the comparison doesn't make sense. The gap between Anderson and Marshall's bowling average in tests is 5.6. And Anderson has 1.7 times the wickets Marshall does and 1.4 times 5 wicket hauls.

the average gap between sachin and viv is 2.17. Sachin has 2.74 times Viv's runs and 4.45 times the centuries.

For Anderson to have similar ratios with Marshall vis a vis Sachin and Viv he'd have to take 1030 wickets at an average of 23.11 with 98 5 wicket hauls. That would make him the greatest bowler ever. These ridiciluous figures kind of give an indication of how far ahead Sachin is.

completely ignoring that Viv's career spanned a much lower-scoring time in ODI cricket than Sachin's

and that the number of runs/wickets is a meaningless measure that has little to do with how good, effective or influential they were

 

[PaulLennon]

completely ignoring that Viv's career spanned a much lower-scoring time in ODI cricket than Sachin's

and that the number of runs/wickets is a meaningless measure that has little to do with how good, effective or influential they were

sachin isn't JUST number of runs. He is lots of runs while being very good while Viv was lots less runs while being very good. We are not comparing say dilshan or jayawadardene or inzy to viv who also have a huge number of runs (10k+ each) but a much lower average.