CW's Ranking of All-Rounders (Tests)

[gftw]

Jadeja - 2
Noble - 4
Proctor - 1
Greig - 2
Pollock - 4
Proctor - 1

Breaking the tie with Pollock

The List
1. Garry Sobers
2. Imran Khan
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Keith Miller
5. Ian Botham
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Kapil Dev
8. Aubrey Faulkner
9. Richard Hadlee
10. Shaun Pollock

The vote for the #11 test all-rounder of all-time begins now.

 

[kyear2]

This standard of being able to make the team as either a front line batsman or bowler is a bit too lofty though. If a batsman can be a productive, viable and consistent 5th bowler, he's an all rounder. If a frontline bowler can handle a bat and a average enough to be a viable no. 7, he's an all rounder. Don't see anything wrong with a batting average of say 25.

 

[ataraxia]

Noble

 

[Xix2565]

Jadeja

 

[trundler]

Noble

 

[The Sean]

Which player can hold a spot in either discipline in a side? Barely a couple. I don`t think that argument is valid.

An all-rounder is someone who can provide balance to the team by being both a good 7th batsman and a good 5th bowler a.k.a The Answer.

There have been a few. Not many, and it depends on the team, but there have been some. My point was that there seems to be an argument that only that kind of player gets to be called an all-rounder.

Your definition seems to go to the opposite end, that of a player who might not actually make the side for either discipline but gets picked because he's decent at both.

Most of the top all-rounders seem to be somewhere in between.

 

[kyear2]

There have been a few. Not many, and it depends on the team, but there have been some. My point was that there seems to be an argument that only that kind of player gets to be called an all-rounder.

Your definition seems to go to the opposite end, that of a player who might not actually make the side for either discipline but gets picked because he's decent at both.

Most of the top all-rounders seem to be somewhere in between.

Yeah, have never been a fan of the the bits and pieces all rounder. Jack of all, master of none.

 

[Line and Length]

Tony Greig

 

[subshakerz]

Hadlee, Wasim Akram, Warne, Marshall are all ATG bowlers who can bat very well and touching that category but not exactly all-rounders.

No. Hadlee is a step ahead of the others. He was batting 7 or below for a decent chunk of his career. I see him as a borderline allrounder.

Wasim, Warne or Marshall were pretty much confirmed no.8s in their career. They were useful tailenders.

Granted, its a thin line but I dont think the latter were expected to regularly contribute with the bat.

 

[subshakerz]

This standard of being able to make the team as either a front line batsman or bowler is a bit too lofty though. If a batsman can be a productive, viable and consistent 5th bowler, he's an all rounder. If a frontline bowler can handle a bat and a average enough to be a viable no. 7, he's an all rounder. Don't see anything wrong with a batting average of say 25.

Yes. I am glad we seem to be reaching consensus on this. It seems a reasonable AR definition.

 

[honestbharani]

Sobers did initially make the team as a spin bowler though.

You really expect facts like that will win over the obvious bias?

 

[honestbharani]

Jadeja

 

[ataraxia]

For this thread I'm adopting a stricter view of all-rounder than the usual averages above 22 with bat, has at least 1.2WPM (or something like that).

 

[CricAddict]

You really expect facts like that will win over the obvious bias?

which is why I have stopped voting seriously in these ranking threads now.

 

[ataraxia]

You really expect facts like that will win over the obvious bias?

What bias lol, unless that post was somehow about Imran vs Kapil (which, clue, Imran wins). It's ignorance,* not bias.

* or something about the fact that his early career was quite varied; we might be misinterpreting that post

 

[honestbharani]

What bias lol, unless that post was somehow about Imran vs Kapil (which, clue, Imran wins). It's ignorance,* not bias.

* or something about the fact that his early career was quite varied; we might be misinterpreting that post

not u, dude. Talking of saltshakerz there.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm talking about subshakerz.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ben Stokes

 

[subshakerz]

not u, dude. Talking of saltshakerz there.

Maybe try to not make every second post about me for a change.

 

[subshakerz]

For this thread I'm adopting a stricter view of all-rounder than the usual averages above 22 with bat, has at least 1.2WPM (or something like that).

Guys like Wasim and Philander werent really all-rounders. Any runs from them were treated as bonus runs basically.