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CW's Ranking of All-Rounders (Tests)
- Thread starter gftw
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I don't disagree with leaving Hadlee out of this. Partly cos voting him below a bunch of players people have been voting recently for is frankly embarrasing... he is clearly a better player. And partly cos he is pushing the boundaries of what can be considered an AR.
Leaving Pollock out of it would result in only a handful of eligible players. Unless you start looking at essentially bits and pieces players who are clearly significantly inferior, there arent a whole lot of players who have a weaker secondary discipline than Pollocks.
Even some of the top ARs so far are not that far ahead of him in secondary disciplines. Sobers went low WPM averaging in the mid 30s. Kallis went sub 2WPM. Dev batting averaged a whopping 26 away compared to Pollocks 36. His average was bouyed by batting on pitches visitors didnt know how to bowl on and his overall average is still worse than Pollock.
Criticisms aside, no problem saying these guys are ahead of pollock in secondary disciplines. But for whoever you rank the lowest on secondary discipline, it is pretty close, and we really dont want to reduce the best ARs to the best bits and pieces players.
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31ish with the bat for 11ish years when he went sub 20 at nearly 5.5 WPM with the ball. No quick has ever had a period of protracted statistical quality like this, even without looking at his batting.
Not sure how you compare it with Bothams much shorter, but slightly better peak. Or Sobers' slightly shorter peak averaging about a billion with the bat and 27 with the ball. But over comparable lengths, its only Imran and arguably Sobers who are in his league. Even Kallis doesnt come close to cutting it.
I dont mind declaring a guy who averaged 27 with the bat as not an AR. But he is clearly a better player than bunch of the other players garnering votes.
subshakerz
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Hadlee. He is borderline AR but is an AR.
Nikhil99.99
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Hadlee
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Jadeja
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Hadlee
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Pollock
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Hadlee
_00_deathscar
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Ah yes then that's where the real confusion happens.
Are we looking for the best player who is an all rounder or the best all rounder?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Its saltshakerz. The rule is "whatever keeps the Indian out".
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Whether you’re trying to pretend Hadlee is an all rounder or want a stick to beat Botham with, citing that innings achieves neither.
Please stop with with vendetta. I seldom agree with his opinions, but this is dragging forum atmosphere down.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
My position has been clear from the beginning that once you are classified as an AR I consider the better player higher. Otherwise we end up with the silly results on second half of this list with players who are supposedly better allrounders but wont be selected in a side you would consider.