*Official* India vs West Indies 2022

[RossTaylorsBox]

What happened with that land deal anyway

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Yep Indian bowling looks penetrative after quite a while. Only one trundler should be allowed who can bat. Dravid is finally doing some good things with our pace attack as far as ODIs are concerned. I prefer Chahar over Lord as of now. Chahar definitely a gun bowler with new ball. His batting is more or less Shardul level in LOIs.

Correct. Lord is good for tests and Chahar is a better pick for white ball cricket with his effective new ball bowling.

 

[ankitj]

Rohit
Ishan (wk)
Virat
Rahul
SKY
Jaddu
Washy
Lord
Chahar
Bumrah
leggie

will work for the 2023 WC IMO.

Playing Jaddu and Washy where Raina and Dhoni used to play. Train wreck of a team IMO

 

[karan_fromthestands]

ER means nothing without context. Bumrah averages 100+ in ODIs since 2020. Lets drop him too. Its very simple. The days of playing LO cricket with more than 1 guy who can't bat or field are gone. At worst, if we have good enough specialists, you can afford to carry 2. Carrying all of Chahal, Siraj/Prasidh and Bumrah is gonna bite us in the ass, esp. since two of them have not exactly taken wickets more than a Chahar or a Lord anyways. Given the WC is in India, we have to maximize our strengths. That means playing Lord and Chahar together.

It's not just about ER. Chahar is clearly a good new ball bowler but still WIP for death overs. Shardul is pretty erratic in white ball cricket and I hope he fine tunes his bowling. But atm I don't know how it makes sense to have 2 seamers who are limited. We can have 3 seamers but 2 of them should be good at death bowling. Bumrah + Prasidh/Siraj/Avesh + Lord/Chahar looks decent IMO. If batting is getting thin, we can play Axar instead of a leggie(Axar/Jaddu/Washi seems like a strong spin-bowling trio).

 

[ankitj]

The days of playing LO cricket with more than 1 guy who can't bat or field are gone.

On one hand you say this and on other, you are comfortable playing non-batsmen at #6 and #7. I don't get it

 

[Xix2565]

Jadeja and Washington are credible bats in their own rights. More so Jadeja especially.

 

[ankitj]

Jadeja and Washington are credible bats in their own rights. More so Jadeja especially.

IMO credible doesn't cut. Biggest reason our ODI team is in doldrums is because our selection has been very indifferent about lower middle order batting. Playing a bunch of "all-rounders" at those spot as fillers rather than grooming genuine match winners like Dhoni, Raina, Yuvraj. We have been carrying this problem for over half a decade now. Because we pick such lean lower middle order, too many batsmen up top start playing "anchor" roles.

 

[ankitj]

So as a result:

Is our batting good at getting off to flying starts: NO
Is our batting good at building after a top order collapse: NO
Is our middle order good at capitalizing in late overs: NO

Pretty much the only thing our batting is good at is the top order capitalizing after top order survives without losing wickets for 35-40 overs.

 

[honestbharani]

Playing Jaddu and Washy where Raina and Dhoni used to play. Train wreck of a team IMO

It's not just about ER. Chahar is clearly a good new ball bowler but still WIP for death overs. Shardul is pretty erratic in white ball cricket and I hope he fine tunes his bowling. But atm I don't know how it makes sense to have 2 seamers who are limited. We can have 3 seamers but 2 of them should be good at death bowling. Bumrah + Prasidh/Siraj/Avesh + Lord/Chahar looks decent IMO. If batting is getting thin, we can play Axar instead of a leggie(Axar/Jaddu/Washi seems like a strong spin-bowling trio).

On one hand you say this and on other, you are comfortable playing non-batsmen at #6 and #7. I don't get it

IMO credible doesn't cut. Biggest reason our ODI team is in doldrums is because our selection has been very indifferent about lower middle order batting. Playing a bunch of "all-rounders" at those spot as fillers rather than grooming genuine match winners like Dhoni, Raina, Yuvraj. We have been carrying this problem for over half a decade now. Because we pick such lean lower middle order, too many batsmen up top start playing "anchor" roles.

I mean I dont know what you don't get here @ankitj . We are not going to find a player as good as MSD or even Kapil for the time being, so we don't play any #5 or #7 at all? The point is, you can only use the talent available to you. None of our batsmen can bowl which means you cant really have more than 5 of them in the side. Beyond that, we are just looking at who has the talent to make runs at this level. To me, anyone good enough to make a test 100 has enough batting potential to crack ODI and even T20 batting given the right coaching, training and time. And that is what I have gone for.

And @karan_fromthestands , Chahar has bowled quite often in the death for CSK and has bowled in the death and bowled well for India. Again, you need to check out the games where he has played. Same with Shardul. They are not great death bowlers, but we don't need a great one when we already have BUmrah. We just need 2 more who can support him with 2 decent to good overs each in the last 6. They both have excellent yorkers, slower balls, cutters and knuckle balls. And they both can reverse the ball. Not sure what skillset it is that they actually lack to be decent death over options.

 

[Daemon]

Washy can't bat 7 imo. With the bat atm he's good for two things - rebuilding in middle overs or finishing off tricky chases where we've lost too many wickets but the rrr is manageable.

Doesn't seem to have the game yet to score quickly enough. Could change but don't see it just yet.

 

[ankitj]

I mean I dont know what you don't get here @ankitj . We are not going to find a player as good as MSD or even Kapil for the time being, so we don't play any #5 or #7 at all? The point is, you can only use the talent available to you. None of our batsmen can bowl which means you cant really have more than 5 of them in the side.

Sky, Rahul, Iyer, Pant will make a good #4 to #7. We have to back them up and give consistent roles to grow into specialists which our team management has not done. Yes, 5th bowling option among these guys is a problem. Pandya is the obvious answer if he is available. In his absence we have to rely on strictly one of Washington or Jadeja, but not both. Else we end up with too lean a lower middle order and too much "anchoring" on top as a result.

 

[pomnotenglish]

Wondering about WI selection policies is an exercise in futility but even then ...Darren Bravo in favour of N Bonner... why? And selectors think Hayden Walsh will trouble the Indians with his spin?

On another note, this series could have been named "WI humiliation(??? do they even feel humiliation nowadays) series / India test bench strength series"

 

[cnerd123]

Pant back in the middle order today. Chahar back in the XI

Kohli and Rohit both out cheaply to loose shots lol.

 

[Bahseph]

Been impressed with Joseph this series.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Sky, Rahul, Iyer, Pant will make a good #4 to #7.

If only one of them could bowl.

 

[cnerd123]

Walsh has bowled well today

Iyer doesn't have a 5th gear. Played well but ran out of steam at the end.

Strike rotation still a problem for this side.

 

[Daemon]

Chahar's ODI batting has been so impressive

 

[trundler]

Walsh has bowled well today

Suck on that Ambrose

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Walsh has bowled well today

Iyer doesn't have a 5th gear. Played well but ran out of steam at the end.

Strike rotation still a problem for this side.

The problem is he randomly switches from batting very defensively to just hitting out.

I don't think most batsmen do it and not sure how it can work. Early on in the innings batsmen play each ball on its merit and then cut loose, Iyer goes completely in his shell at the start and then looks to just turn it around. He needs to be a lot more balanced when he is settling in, this is the kind of negative mindset caused due to constant chopping and changing of the team, hopefully he plays with more security going forward.

 

[honestbharani]

Sky, Rahul, Iyer, Pant will make a good #4 to #7. We have to back them up and give consistent roles to grow into specialists which our team management has not done. Yes, 5th bowling option among these guys is a problem. Pandya is the obvious answer if he is available. In his absence we have to rely on strictly one of Washington or Jadeja, but not both. Else we end up with too lean a lower middle order and too much "anchoring" on top as a result.

You are saying we play 4 bowlers and 7 batsmen and hope Virat, Rohit can bowl 10?