***Official*** Bangladesh in NZ 2021-22

[wellAlbidarned]

that's a moggin

 

[Skyliner]

Michael Vaughn commentating on the Ashes just saying saying that there's no point in England preparing a bunch of green seamers for the coming summer as that's not going to progress the team forward at all. Says they need to encourage quick bowling and find a spinner. Comment along the lines of 'why would you bowl quick when you can just nibble it around and pick up wickets that way'.

Meanwhile in NZ we are deriding the Mount Maunganui pitch and making haste to get to another green seamer at Hagley, so we can feel good and comfy again (although Bangladesh may have other ideas about that).

If we ever want to compete with the likes of Australia and a couple of other nations then we will need to stick with the Mount and admit that it a ground that has produced 3 result test matches out of 3. We just have to get better. Bowlers will just have to find a way to get wickets on a so-called flat wicket, as that is what Bangladesh did. The NZ cricket public still want to see us compete with Australia rather than get steam-rolled with barely a whimper. We need to go into battle with Australia with a test side that can compete in their conditions. Bangladesh have come up with a side that can compete with us. We need to come up with a side that can win in conditions other than what NZ and England typically serve up, as those conditions are the outlier.

 

[Bahnz]

Have read here and there the conditions were not suitable for faster bowlers but then I see 28 wickets to fast bowlers. I'm a bit confused.

Is this the new dawn for Bangladesh? They have been playing international cricket for the last 22 years. Obviously the win had to come but it has come in one of the hardest places for any international sides to tour. We had a run of like 17, 18 games with no loss.

Banger quicks got the ball to reverse, whereas our quicks got none. Were probably beneficiaries of a drier more abrasive surface on day 4, and having a specialist spinner probably also helped in terms of consistency landing the ball and roughing up one side. Was that sneaky late kind of reverse that in a way can be more dangerous than a hooping new ball. Was brilliant bowling by Ebadot.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Banger quicks got the ball to reverse, whereas our quicks got none. Were probably beneficiaries of a drier more abrasive surface on day 4, and having a specialist spinner probably also helped in terms of consistency landing the ball and roughing up one side. Was that sneaky late kind of reverse that in a way can be more dangerous than a hooping new ball. Was brilliant bowling by Ebadot.

Yes, the full-toss that got the wicket of Southee was wicked

 

[nzfan]

Banger quicks got the ball to reverse, whereas our quicks got none. Were probably beneficiaries of a drier more abrasive surface on day 4, and having a specialist spinner probably also helped in terms of consistency landing the ball and roughing up one side. Was that sneaky late kind of reverse that in a way can be more dangerous than a hooping new ball. Was brilliant bowling by Ebadot.

Reversing... Never heard of it in our conditions. Not even at mount in the past. If bangers did then great and good on them. I was wondering looking at the scorecard how our guys were losing so many wickets when the ball was like 50+ overs old and we had nothing going as soon as the ball was older. Need to have a look at an extended highlights. No way to catch up on 5 days cricket I guess

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah it was hardcore reverse. I don't think I saw the ball reverse more at any venue in 2021 tbh, and they aren't exactly noted reverse swing bowlers. They ended up with a good ball for it I think.

 

[Daemon]

Ebadot will defs be back to **** next game

 

[Prince EWS]

Ebadot will defs be back to **** next game

Haha will be funny if he plays like 50 Tests based on that one spell and someone wheels out a "exluding one Test in NZ he averaged over 80 with the ball in 50 Tests" stat. I don't wish him ill but that sort of career would be hilarious.

 

[nzfan]

Haha will be funny if he plays like 50 Tests based on that one spell and someone wheels out a "exluding one Test in NZ he averaged over 80 with the ball in 50 Tests" stat. I don't wish him ill but that sort of career would be hilarious.

Ebadot was averaging 80+ with the ball and now 60s. Hope he's a long term player for Bangladesh. They need all the resources they can to keep up with this ascendency.

 

[Teja.]

Yeah, I’m completely unconvinced about him as a test bowler. He’s amazing when he binks a great spell but he’s neither consistent, economical or attacking to make it work otherwise as of now.

Probably not the best time to talk **** about his future potential though.

 

[Bahnz]

Reversing... Never heard of it in our conditions. Not even at mount in the past. If bangers did then great and good on them. I was wondering looking at the scorecard how our guys were losing so many wickets when the ball was like 50+ overs old and we had nothing going as soon as the ball was older. Need to have a look at an extended highlights. No way to catch up on 5 days cricket I guess

yeah, haven’t seen it in Nz since Aus toured pre-sandpapergate.

 

[Bahnz]

Yeah, I’m completely unconvinced about him as a test bowler. He’s amazing when he binks a great spell but he’s neither consistent, economical or attacking to make it work otherwise as of now.

Probably not the best time to talk **** about his future potential though.

The Deshi Fidel Edwards (minus the actually pretty good strike rate).

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Nice wicket

 

[nzfan]

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Nice wicket

We're back in our backyard I guess.

I like what couple of posts or three above mentioned. I think we need more mount like wickets of we're going to have success outside of nz. We need our bowlers to be able to bowl when wickets gets a bit abrasive, be able to reverse and really need one or two spinners to bowl good number of overs each game. Half the test nations play under conditions suited to sub continent. Even Aussie conditions are quite sporting. We may drop a game or two but in the long run we'll be able to win in Aussie, India, South Africa I guess.

 

[Prince EWS]

yeah, haven’t seen it in Nz since Aus toured pre-sandpapergate.

Hmmmm. Interesting.

 

[honestbharani]

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Nice wicket

For cows?

 

[jcas0167]

Reversing... Never heard of it in our conditions. Not even at mount in the past. If bangers did then great and good on them. I was wondering looking at the scorecard how our guys were losing so many wickets when the ball was like 50+ overs old and we had nothing going as soon as the ball was older. Need to have a look at an extended highlights. No way to catch up on 5 days cricket I guess

Wasim and Waqar used to get reverse swing here in the mid-90's? An example at 8 mins 41 seconds of this clip where Rod Latham gets his middle stump dislodged.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Comeon can we play Jayed in this pitch

 

[Flem274*]

Michael Vaughn commentating on the Ashes just saying saying that there's no point in England preparing a bunch of green seamers for the coming summer as that's not going to progress the team forward at all. Says they need to encourage quick bowling and find a spinner. Comment along the lines of 'why would you bowl quick when you can just nibble it around and pick up wickets that way'.

Meanwhile in NZ we are deriding the Mount Maunganui pitch and making haste to get to another green seamer at Hagley, so we can feel good and comfy again (although Bangladesh may have other ideas about that).

If we ever want to compete with the likes of Australia and a couple of other nations then we will need to stick with the Mount and admit that it a ground that has produced 3 result test matches out of 3. We just have to get better. Bowlers will just have to find a way to get wickets on a so-called flat wicket, as that is what Bangladesh did. The NZ cricket public still want to see us compete with Australia rather than get steam-rolled with barely a whimper. We need to go into battle with Australia with a test side that can compete in their conditions. Bangladesh have come up with a side that can compete with us. We need to come up with a side that can win in conditions other than what NZ and England typically serve up, as those conditions are the outlier.

You're overplaying this line of thought. NZ were 2 from 2 at the Mount prior to the loss, including a victory 12 months prior against a team who kicked Bangladesh in the teeth a month ago.

Bangladesh lifted their game to a level beyond those sides, and NZ left at least 100 runs on the park in the first innings. Honestly as a punishing nerd all I've really got is **** they played well.

Hagley isn't really a medium pacers pitch. It looks scarier than it plays and the pace and bounce is ruthless on trash. It just really hates spin, which is why NZ host all the Asian sides there. When nibblers are better test options than the current boys at NZ test venues I'll worry. My concern is for the FC game where they actually are as valuable as the test bowlers and their reserves like Ferguson, Henry and Duffy.

 

[Howsie]

Reversing... Never heard of it in our conditions. Not even at mount in the past. If bangers did then great and good on them. I was wondering looking at the scorecard how our guys were losing so many wickets when the ball was like 50+ overs old and we had nothing going as soon as the ball was older. Need to have a look at an extended highlights. No way to catch up on 5 days cricket I guess

Australia the last time they toured NZ, 2016? They were getting massive reverse, Jackson Bird in particular. He cleaned up Williamson on 90 odd I remember. The only time I’ve seen a team get reverse like that in NZ

Of course Cape Town 2018 was the only time they cheated though……. Hmmmm