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Best team since Waugh/ Ponting’s Australia?

Best team?

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Xix2565

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subshakerz said:
You mean the Indian team that lost in 2018 in SA will beat Smith's team there?
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Why not? Smith's SA lost home series to Australia.
Spark said:
Yeah that depth thing is just motivated reasoning on steroids. Depth has nothing to do with why they managed to psychologically recover after Adelaide and why they managed to retrieve a totally lost position at Lord's.
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Depth has everything to do with that. The incoming players weren't necessarily shitters by previous FC/Test records (one of them was Jadeja who loves to bully Australia) and at Lord's our substitute opener after Gill and Mayank got injured made a century and at crucial points people contributed with both bat and ball while England decided to try bouncing Shami and Bumrah for no ****ing reason.
subshakerz said:
Would you agree India getting whitewashed to NZ and losing 4-1 to England are blackmarks?

Like I said, I would prefer a team that is bulletproof abroad but maybe have lost a series or two at home over 9 years vs a team that is unbeatable at home but quite beatable away.
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As much as losing at home to Australia twice unlike a perfect home record that India has. Imagine even thinking 80s WI/90-00s Australia would have been fine with losing home series.
 
anil1405

anil1405

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subshakerz said:
SA conditions do give opportunities for away pacers to make inroads.
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Not the only country in the world that assists pacers. If Proteas were so good in Aus, Eng and NZ during this period winning at home should've been easier for them.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
It’s easy to cherrypick data points but the overall records (home and away) speak for themselves
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
PaulLennon said:
Yes they are.

Smith's team wasn't "bulletproof" abroad. They drew quite a few.

And they didnt just lose series, they drew a few as well at home.

And Ind isn't "quite beatable" away. They are beatable by NZ in Eng/NZ. Anywhere else against any team, they start favorites.
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India have been beaten by three countries away...SA zero.
 
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subshakerz

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Spark said:
Eh, personally, just speaking as a cricket fan and without any pretense to objective historical analysis at all, I'd muuuuch rather a side that was strong at home first and foremost. Getting rolled at home sucks, especially if you have the misfortune to be watching it in person.
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I am sure Indian fans in the 90s would have let their team lose 1-2 series if it meant a series win in England or Pakistan.
 
PaulLennon

PaulLennon

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Spark said:
Yeah that depth thing is just motivated reasoning on steroids. Depth has nothing to do with why they managed to psychologically recover after Adelaide and why they managed to retrieve a totally lost position at Lord's. The je ne sais quoi I mentioned is more an extremely impressive level of mental strength coupled with a relentless fast bowling attack. Not "how good is the 30th best Indian player".
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They "psychologically recovered" after Adelaide cause they had Pant and Jadeja who had bullied these same bowlers last time around and a promising talent in Gill.
 
Spark

Spark

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PaulLennon said:
They "psychologically recovered" after Adelaide cause they had Pant and Jadeja who had bullied these same bowlers last time around and a promising talent in Gill.
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No, they recovered because they bowled Australia out for sub 200. Pant especially didn't do much in that game at all.
 
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Xix2565

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Spark said:
No, they recovered because they bowled Australia out for sub 200. Pant and Jadeja didn't do much in that game at all.
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Pant kickstarted the runscoring once Vihari fell, and Jadeja took 3 wickets and scored a 50 in a matchwinning partnership with Rahane. :cool:
 
PaulLennon

PaulLennon

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Spark said:
No, they recovered because they bowled Australia out for sub 200. Pant especially didn't do much in that game at all.
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Jadeja bowled well in that match similar to last time at MCG. Pant accelerated the innings a bit when it was at a standstill.

Point is you can't question depth. How many times have Ind won in the recent times with some new guy coming in and pulling in a matchwinning performance. Thakur's Gabba and Oval series. Axar vs England. Iyer vs New Zealand etc. Even in 18-19 with Mayank coming in and having those partnerships with Pujara at Sydney/MCG. Or Bumrah for that matter who had debuted that year (Ind's pace bowling was good pre Bumrah as well in the 15-18 period especially in the 17 BGT).
 
OverratedSanity

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subshakerz said:
Would argue that SA did better in Ind/Pak-UAE/Sri Lanka than India in NZ/SA/Eng for a start.
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OverratedSanity said:
Err what? You just randomly removed "in Aus" for India for some reason.
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Like, even granting how incredibly dumb it is that you just conveniently ignored Australia, it wasnt as if SA were winnings those series in Asia. They won a grand total of 1 series in Asia during that entire period. 2014 vs SL.

India winning 2 series back to back in Australia is a pretty insane accomplishment even ignoring the circumstances of the second one. No asian side had ever won in Aus before 2019.
 
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subshakerz

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So far all I see in this thread is deflection from posters who don't seem willing to discuss any weakness of this Indian side which we can reasonably compare with SA's weaknesses and strengths. That would be a more interesting discussion on weighing relative merits of the two sides.

Rather, it's just looking up W/L stats at home and trying to diminish SA's impressive away record by anyway possible. And frankly it's weird to see cricket fans argue that being really really good at home makes you a better all-round side. I haven't seen that argument until now.
 
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