Road to the Ashes 2021/22

[TheJediBrah]

oh you are totally right, there's people on all sides who do this - it's not as if it's a phenomenon exclusive to "the left", if it is exclusive to anywhere it's purely the domain of people to whom politics is entirely performative and devoid of substance altogether.

i think my favourite "cancel culture" furore had to definitely be during the BLM protests around the world some guy tweeted "acab includes the dog from pawpatrol. this dog has to be put down. sorry i don't make the rules" and it was absolutely seized upon here by far right wing news outlets and ch7 (so, i should just say far right news outlets), to say that "THE LEFT is trying to cancel pawpatrol"

clickbait media just doing it's thing

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Ah I see I've been tagged in an Ashes thread I guess I'm ready for some robust cricket discu- oh it's cancel culture again

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

By the way cancel culture rules and I hope I see more people getting cancelled including many of the posters on this forum.

 

[GIMH]

By the way cancel culture rules and I hope I see more people getting cancelled including many of the posters on this forum.

Jokes on you, I’ve been grandfathered in

 

[Starfighter]

ah yeah you caught me - me, @grecian, and @RossTaylorsBox are given a couple of thousand dollars a week by joe biden to trawl the twitter feeds of rightwingers and find them saying the n word so we can sic our armies of leftists upon to them. this is a real phenomenon.

Boy, talk about straw men.

 

[Shady Slim]

Boy, talk about straw men.

well you're the one who came in here, accused me of essentially distorting facts to suit a narrative, without providing any examples contrary to my argument but whatever go off sure lol

 

[Starfighter]

well you're the one who came in here, accused me of essentially distorting facts to suit a narrative, without providing any examples contrary to my argument but whatever go off sure lol

No, you were the one who started it with stephen. Simply writing 'ah no' is not argument, maybe you should have tackled his observation, which is hardly a unique one.

 

[Shady Slim]

No, you were the one who started it with stephen. Simply writing 'ah no' is not argument, maybe you should have tackled his observation, which is hardly a unique one.

i never said you "started it". stephen made a claim, i challenged it, he provided an example (which as was rightly pointed out by grecian, was engineered by the right); concomitantly, you said that my challenge to stephen's claim was based on denying reality to suit my opinion, or whatever you said (thereby agreeing with stephen's claim, implicitly, obviously), only to have a whinge about my sarcastic retorts rather than, yknow, try doing what stephen did and trying to back up your case

the thing is, when someone is making a claim, and others are challenging it, it's on the person making the claim to prove it. i can't just say, like, "starfighter is a pedo", then make you prove to me you aren't, in fact, a pedo. that's why in auspol, for example, gimh was well within his rights to test me when i said mask mandates prevent covid, eg, for i'm the one who's making the claim there

 

[TheJediBrah]

i can't just say, like, "starfighter is a pedo", then make you prove to me you aren't, in fact, a pedo.

well this escalated

funny thing though, tangentially related, this actually does happen sometimes. Notably recently with #metoo. I recall a few examples, there were college kids (males) in the US expelled with virtually no investigation after rape accusations which were later proved false. Sime big lawsuits involved and the kids got huge payouts IIRC for unfair expulsion.

Anyway guess what I'm saying is that in the age of social media, making an accusation can sometimes be all you need to destroy someone even if it's completely made up. Court of public opinion and all that. Another example of this would be Johnny Depp.

 

[Shady Slim]

well this escalated

funny thing though, tangentially related, this actually does happen sometimes. Notably recently with #metoo. I recall a few examples, there were college kids (males) in the US expelled with virtually no investigation after rape accusations which were later proved false. Sime big lawsuits involved and the kids got huge payouts IIRC for unfair expulsion.

Anyway guess what I'm saying is that in the age of social media, making an accusation can sometimes be all you need to destroy someone even if it's completely made up. Court of public opinion and all that. Another example of this would be Johnny Depp.

i mean, with depp, the ewhc and ewca found that twelve of the fourteen allegations of domestic abuse were substantially true, though at the civil proof standard rather than the criminal standard

 

[TheJediBrah]

i mean, with depp, the ewhc and ewca

You think you can trick me by making up words

 

[stephen]

i mean, with depp, the ewhc and ewca found that twelve of the fourteen allegations of domestic abuse were substantially true, though at the civil proof standard rather than the criminal standard

Civil proof basically says that there's a 51% or greater chance of it being true. It's a pretty low bar and is why most of the time those kind of law suits settle rather than hit a court room.

But yes, there are numerous examples of cancel culture, the James Gunn one was the one which was at the top of my mind. The lacrosse team is probably the most egregious example that I've heard of - and I steer clear of news and social media nonsense.

I had no idea until earlier this year that the BLM riots did so much damage ($1.7bn US). Nor did I know about Jordan Peterson, Tofu-dreg apartments and the rising insanity of China, or the madness of the US social justice movement. In fact it took me being banned for innocuous comments on a board game forum (and I mean comments that people on this forum would consider friendly and not at all hostile) before I really had any idea about any of this stuff. I simply haven't been involved or interested.

I've stuck to the CC forum for a reason.

 

[honestbharani]

Only to be replaced by Craig Overton, who has said things arguably far more crook than what Robinson did, and still blatatantly denies all responsibility through to this very day

Have you seen whom he talks to first in the dressing room?

 

[Shady Slim]

Civil proof basically says that there's a 51% or greater chance of it being true. It's a pretty low bar and is why most of the time those kind of law suits settle rather than hit a court room.

But yes, there are numerous examples of cancel culture, the James Gunn one was the one which was at the top of my mind. The lacrosse team is probably the most egregious example that I've heard of - and I steer clear of news and social media nonsense.

I had no idea until earlier this year that the BLM riots did so much damage ($1.7bn US). Nor did I know about Jordan Peterson, Tofu-dreg apartments and the rising insanity of China, or the madness of the US social justice movement. In fact it took me being banned for innocuous comments on a board game forum (and I mean comments that people on this forum would consider friendly and not at all hostile) before I really had any idea about any of this stuff. I simply haven't been involved or interested.

I've stuck to the CC forum for a reason.

i know what the civil standard of proof is i study law (but given you probably didn't know that that's fine)

understandable gunn was on the top of your head because it's a "prominent example", and frankly i have no idea what you're talking about with the "lacrosse team"; you will have to link me in for that one. in regards to the BLM protests, china, and peterson, i can't bring myself to care about property damage in drawing attention to the state-sponsored murder of people tbh, and i don't see how the other two are remotely relevant. i posit also that the us social justice movement is not mad, in that there's nothing mad about wanting equality for minorities and vulnerable groups - i posit also if you'd suggest people like nancy pelosi et al are awful, i agree, but they're not from "the left". as someone who spends far too much time mixing with lefties both online and in person (which isn't to say i have no tory friends and live in the proverbial "echo chamber"), i can tell you with a great deal of confidence that "cancellations" are not the exclusive domain of the left, nor one of our main or primary concerns

edit:

btw i don't mean to sound disrespectful by the above comment and apologies if i did. definitely intended to mock starfighter, who though i regard as a cool dude felt his comments were dumb, but we're in good faith here

 

[Starfighter]

But yes, there are numerous examples of cancel culture, the James Gunn one was the one which was at the top of my mind. The lacrosse team is probably the most egregious example that I've heard of - and I steer clear of news and social media nonsense.

A better example would be less prominent, someone like Maya Forstater, sacked for expressing on social media views that might be considered highly distasteful in some circles, but definitely defensible scientifically and philosophically.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

But yes, there are numerous examples of cancel culture, the James Gunn one was the one which was at the top of my mind. The lacrosse team is probably the most egregious example that I've heard of - and I steer clear of news and social media nonsense.

I had no idea until earlier this year that the BLM riots did so much damage ($1.7bn US). Nor did I know about Jordan Peterson, Tofu-dreg apartments and the rising insanity of China, or the madness of the US social justice movement. In fact it took me being banned for innocuous comments on a board game forum (and I mean comments that people on this forum would consider friendly and not at all hostile) before I really had any idea about any of this stuff. I simply haven't been involved or interested.

I've stuck to the CC forum for a reason.

I don't really have any interest in social media or news stuff. Anyway here's a bunch of news stories I've heard about online.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Gina Carano </3

I will miss her in Star Wars. She thicc.

Would have been nice if stopped tweeting whatever she was saying that got her fired

 

[Prince EWS]

definitely intended to mock starfighter

I think we got that.

 

[trundler]

Excellent thread.

 

[Burgey]

Looking forWARD to Tim slapping Anderson around like a red headed stepchild come the Ashes this summer.