• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

2nd greatest living cricketer

Who is the 2nd greatest living cricketer (behind Sobers)?


  • Total voters
    74

smash84

The Tiger King
Honestly, given a choice of Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath (and maybe Imran), I'm picking the 80s greats because they were just as universally effective as as Glenn but those extra 15+ runs or so do make a different
I'd do the same, pick these guys over McGrath if it was only to pick one player.

Marshall because he's probably a slightly better bowler.

Imran and Hadlee because they are in the same ballpark as McGrath bowling wise but McGrath is a meme tailender.
 

Gob

International Coach
I'd do the same, pick these guys over McGrath if it was only to pick one player.

Marshall because he's probably a slightly better bowler.

Imran and Hadlee because they are in the same ballpark as McGrath bowling wise but McGrath is a meme tailender.
How about Dale Steyn?
 

Gob

International Coach
That's a tougher one. Might just choose Steyn for the SC and McGrath otherwise.
No I meant would you prefer Hadlee and Imran over Steyn too due to their batting since Steyn is not a complete rabbit
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Why is everyone bagging on the number 11's batting in an ATG XI that probably features the likes of Bradman? I can understand people preferring a number 8 that can hold a bat but anything beyond that is pointless.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
No I meant would you prefer Hadlee and Imran over Steyn too due to their batting since Steyn is not a complete rabbit
Steyn is quite a rabbit too, his 2 50s notwithstanding.

But yes Hadlee and Imran over Steyn
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Hadlee or McGrath is a slightly loaded question because they're both such great bowlers. I would pick McGrath because I think he's the better bowler. I would assume (or perhaps guess) that most people picking Hadlee either think he's a better bowler or they're equal. In both those instances picking Hadlee would be logical. But if anyone thinks McGrath is the better bowler but picks Hadlee because of his batting, that would seem slightly bonkers - but each to their own. :jester:
 

CodeOfWisden

U19 Cricketer
There's a six point average difference between Murali and Warne, why are people even discussing their batting prowess?

That's like choosing Sachin over Lara in tests for his bowling.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
Hadlee or McGrath is a slightly loaded question because they're both such great bowlers. I would pick McGrath because I think he's the better bowler. I would assume (or perhaps guess) that most people picking Hadlee either think he's a better bowler or they're equal. In both those instances picking Hadlee would be logical. But if anyone thinks McGrath is the better bowler but picks Hadlee because of his batting, that would seem slightly bonkers - but each to their own. :jester:
Ian Bell is a better bat than Stokes, and Zaheer Khan a better bowler. Who do you rate the better player, and seeing as the answer is going to be Stokes, why is it any different to Hadlee being better even if you rate his bowling lower?
 

Gob

International Coach
Hadlee or McGrath is a slightly loaded question because they're both such great bowlers. I would pick McGrath because I think he's the better bowler. I would assume (or perhaps guess) that most people picking Hadlee either think he's a better bowler or they're equal. In both those instances picking Hadlee would be logical. But if anyone thinks McGrath is the better bowler but picks Hadlee because of his batting, that would seem slightly bonkers - but each to their own. :jester:
People think (well i think they think) that if one is better, its by a negligible margin hence they go for the guy who adds more with the bat. I think thats a bit robotic and also both having similar corridor style makes it even harder to pick both. I personally think, if he is the only rabbit, you can afford him at 11 without being too greedy
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Ian Bell is a better bat than Stokes, and Zaheer Khan a better bowler. Who do you rate the better player, and seeing as the answer is going to be Stokes, why is it any different to Hadlee being better even if you rate his bowling lower?
We were talking about who you would pick for a team if you could only have one as a bowler, not who is the better all round cricketer.
 

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Hadlee vs Mcgrath is equivalent of Kallis vs Dravid.

Whereas Warne vs Murali is Miandad vs Dravid.
Miandad getting selected ahead of Dravid based on bowling superiority is BS.
 

Bolo.

International Captain
People think (well i think they think) that if one is better, its by a negligible margin hence they go for the guy who adds more with the bat. I think thats a bit robotic and also both having similar corridor style makes it even harder to pick both. I personally think, if he is the only rabbit, you can afford him at 11 without being too greedy
This is LOs logic. It doesnt matter much in tests where you carry the weakness. Lower order parnerships change a huge proportion of tests. But FTR, playing a bunny at 11 doesnt only mean playing a bunny at 11, but weakening the lower order by batting everyone one up, unless you are comparing them to another number 11.
 

trundler

Request Your Custom Title Now!
Hadlee vs Mcgrath is equivalent of Kallis vs Dravid.

Whereas Warne vs Murali is Miandad vs Dravid.
Miandad getting selected ahead of Dravid based on bowling superiority is BS.
Picking Miandad over Dravid would be perfectly logical though so not sure what you're on about.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Hadlee or McGrath is a slightly loaded question because they're both such great bowlers. I would pick McGrath because I think he's the better bowler. I would assume (or perhaps guess) that most people picking Hadlee either think he's a better bowler or they're equal. In both those instances picking Hadlee would be logical. But if anyone thinks McGrath is the better bowler but picks Hadlee because of his batting, that would seem slightly bonkers - but each to their own. :jester:
If its McGrath vs Imran, I would give it to Imran since I think they are in the same ballpark bowling wise but Imran's better batting would have an actual match impact late in the order at no. 7 or 8.

With Hadlee, it is borderline IMO. If its a no. 10 or 11 position might as well go with McGrath.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
There's a six point average difference between Murali and Warne, why are people even discussing their batting prowess?

That's like choosing Sachin over Lara in tests for his bowling.
If its an ATG side, Murali or Warnes batting doesnt matter really because you can assume the rest of the batting till 8 or 9 is so fortified.

But if I was a captain picking a regular international team, I may want to select Warne for his ability to hang around and smash the occasional delivery, if I only had one place and assume the bowlers are almost equal. Having a weak tail is a liability.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
If its an ATG side, Murali or Warnes batting doesnt matter really because you can assume the rest of the batting till 8 or 9 is so fortified.

But if I was a captain picking a regular international team, I may want to select Warne for his ability to hang around and smash the occasional delivery, if I only had one place and assume the bowlers are almost equal. Having a weak tail is a liability.
Warne is also a great natural slip fielder which is the most important fielding position in test cricket. Seeing Virat field in the slip over the last decade has reemphasised how important that position is.
 

Top