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2nd greatest living cricketer

Who is the 2nd greatest living cricketer (behind Sobers)?

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Teja.

Teja.

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CodeOfWisden said:
If you do not consider Murali a chucker than there is no way that Warne is ahead of him.
Especially if you are considering both formats.
Murali is Mohammad Ali, Warne is Mike Tyson.
Murali has proved his superiority quite a few times, if we also consider the fact that he had no support there's no way that Warne can be rated higher.
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Tests only. I consider Murali a superior bowler by a very slight margin. Their records against top 8 teams are basically identical. I will take Warne ahead of Murali for slip fielding and batting. Warne’s batting is not quite bowling AR level but at least halfway there.
 
Gob

Gob

International Coach
CodeOfWisden said:
If you do not consider Murali a chucker than there is no way that Warne is ahead of him.
Especially if you are considering both formats.
Murali is Mohammad Ali, Warne is Mike Tyson.
Murali has proved his superiority quite a few times, if we also consider the fact that he had no support there's no way that Warne can be rated higher.
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No I don't think I will.Gif
 
TheJediBrah

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CodeOfWisden said:
If you do not consider Murali a chucker than there is no way that Warne is ahead of him.
Especially if you are considering both formats.
Murali is Mohammad Ali, Warne is Mike Tyson.
Murali has proved his superiority quite a few times, if we also consider the fact that he had no support there's no way that Warne can be rated higher.
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You really want to believe that
 
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Arachnodouche

International Captain
Murali was quite mediocre for the first six years of his career. Interesting action, big turner, but he wasn't setting the world alight until '98 or so when the doosra appeared and seemed to have a positive effect on his overall consistency as well. But that's probably the longest gestation period for an ATG alongside Imran?
 
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_00_deathscar

International Regular
Arachnodouche said:
Murali was quite mediocre for the first six years of his career. Interesting action, big turner, but he wasn't setting the world alight until '98 or so when the doosra appeared and seemed to have a positive effect on his overall consistency as well. But that's probably the longest gestation period for an ATG alongside Imran?
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Different format but Sachin took a while to figure out ODIs.
 
Teja.

Teja.

Global Moderator
Arachnodouche said:
Murali was quite mediocre for the first six years of his career. Interesting action, big turner, but he wasn't setting the world alight until '98 or so when the doosra appeared and seemed to have a positive effect on his overall consistency as well. But that's probably the longest gestation period for an ATG alongside Imran?
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Wasim debuted very young and had an absurdly long career for a fast bowler of 18 years and for the first 5 years in the late 80s, he was very much at a Srinath level as opposed to the Marshall level he went to in the 90s.

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Another player in the same boat is Hadlee who also debuted very young and had an extremely long career. In his first 4 years, he didn't exactly light the world on fire.

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Gob

Gob

International Coach
Teja. said:
Wasim debuted very young and had an absurdly long career for a fast bowler of 18 years and for the first 5 years in the late 80s, he was very much at a Srinath level as opposed to the Marshall level he went to in the 90s.

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Another player in the same boat is Hadlee who also debuted very young and had an extremely long career. In his first 4 years, he didn't exactly light the world on fire.

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McGrath too
 
Teja.

Teja.

Global Moderator
Gob said:
McGrath too
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Nah, McGrath had a bad first year (1994, he debuted in December 1993) and was ATG from 1995 onwards for a decade and a slight dip at the end which is typically how a lot of ATG pacers career go.

I was talking about pacers who were much worse for first 4-6 years.
 
ankitj

ankitj

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Teja. said:
Nah, McGrath had a bad first year (1994, he debuted in December 1993) and was ATG from 1995 onwards for a decade and a slight dip at the end which is typically how a lot of ATG pacers career go.

I was talking about pacers who were much worse for first 4-6 years.
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I recall McGrath had a minor dip sometime in 2004, after his return from injury that kept him out of India tour to Australia in 2003-04. There were articles written about his decline lol.

Also, did he have a dip at the end? Thought he had a good Ashes swansong and of course the 2007 world cup.
 
Teja.

Teja.

Global Moderator
ankitj said:
I recall McGrath had a minor dip sometime in 2004, after his return from injury that kept him out of India tour to Australia in 2003-04. There were articles written about his decline lol.

Also, did he have a dip at the end? Thought he had a good Ashes swansong and of course the 2007 world cup.
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He was mostly fine but in this final 2 test series at home against SA and England, he was not quite as lethal.
 
Gob

Gob

International Coach
CodeOfWisden said:
I Know that.
It's actually as clear as daylight, Murali has a respectable record against great players of spin while Warne is scared of Navjot Singh Sidhu and Ravi Shastri (that's one point).
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So I assume Indians are the only great players of spin?
 
Gob

Gob

International Coach
ankitj said:
I recall McGrath had a minor dip sometime in 2004, after his return from injury that kept him out of India tour to Australia in 2003-04. There were articles written about his decline lol.

Also, did he have a dip at the end? Thought he had a good Ashes swansong and of course the 2007 world cup.
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Dip started in 03 I think in WI. That's the Sarwan series and went on to miss a bunch of cricket afterwards.
 
honestbharani

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Prince EWS said:
It's a bit self-referential in a way. Anyone who Warne owned would automatically not have the reputation as being a great player of spin.
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Yeah I believe Murali was the better bowler but also agree with the Teja reasoning for picking Warne in a World XI. I may not necessarily go the same route (depends on who my other slip fielders and #8 options are) but I am not sure we have to belittle Warne's achievements. He was also very box office which helped the game overall as an entertainment commodity.
 
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