2nd Test at the MCG, Melbourne, 26 Dec - 30 Dec 2020

[Flem274*]

Neil Wagner > The Pedigree of English International Quality Bowlers

unbelievable this even needed to be stated tbh

 

[Gnske]

unbelievable this even needed to be stated tbh

Tell that to Hendrix. He's the one guy in the world who stays flaccid when he bowls.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I wouldn't call anything Wagner does especially a e s t h e t i c, love the energy though

 

[Gnske]

I wouldn't call anything Wagner does especially a e s t h e t i c

I hate you and all the things you do GAS.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I hate you and all the things you do GAS.

Fair enough tbh

 

[gabbadan]

Never heard of a leader in bowling packs. The Captain dictates who bowls and when after discussion with the coach and the bowlers prior to each session.
Conditions may change the plan on the field.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Never heard of a leader in bowling packs. The Captain dictates who bowls and when after discussion with the coach and the bowlers prior to each session.
Conditions may change the plan on the field.

I think there's definitely a bowler who considers himself the leader in many packs. Whether or not that's the reality as far as the team is concerned is another thing, and I don't know if it holds true at higher levels where what you say is probably true. Certainly at grade level there is always an opening bowler who chooses which end he bowls at and the rest fall in around that, but given a fast bowler's penchant for going downwind without giving any consideration to whether or not the conditions suit the bloke at the other end (e.g.: he'll go downwind despite the fact he swings it away from the batsman and the breeze is angling towards fine leg from his end and the bloke at the other end swings it in and now has to do so into a stiff cross breeze), it's probably best if they're not even brought into the discussion. Can remember a game where we took 8/40 from one end and 2/145 from the other and lost the match. Guess which end I chose?

 

[GotSpin]

Never heard of a leader in bowling packs. The Captain dictates who bowls and when after discussion with the coach and the bowlers prior to each session.
Conditions may change the plan on the field.

Have you played much cricket?

 

[cnerd123]

there is definitely a leader for bowling attacks in Test cricket. Usually it's the bowler who the captain turns too when all other plans have failed.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah for sure there is, in my experience anyway

 

[Daemon]

there is definitely a leader for bowling attacks in Test cricket. Usually it's the bowler who the captain turns too when all other plans have failed.

Ben Stokes for England then

 

[Burgey]

Labushagne for Aus

 

[Son Of Coco]

there is definitely a leader for bowling attacks in Test cricket. Usually it's the bowler who the captain turns too when all other plans have failed.

I think it functions a little differently though. I'd consider Pat Cummins the leader of our attack, but his role still fits within the overall team plan depending on the match situation/conditions. As you say though, when the plans haven't worked, you find out pretty quickly who the no.1 bowler is considered to be as they are generally relied upon to make the breakthrough.

 

[Spark]

Ben Stokes for England then

Ben Stokes may not be the "leader of the attack" per se but he is absolutely the heart and soul of that team.

 

[Daemon]

Ben Stokes may not be the "leader of the attack" per se but he is absolutely the heart and soul of that team.

Yeah 100%. He's had some great knocks etc but the match that drove this point home for me was the flattie at Mount Maunganui where he bowled a really long spell and seemed like the only one who was interested in breaking the Santner Watling partnership.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ben Stokes for England then

Santner for New Zealand.

Attack leaders definitely exist but I feel like it hasn't been defined very well in this thread...

 

[Teja.]

Santner for New Zealand.

Attack leaders definitely exist but I feel like it hasn't been defined very well in this thread...

AWTA. Being especially good at breaking partnerships is not equivalent to being the leader necessarily.

 

[Gnske]

Ben Stokes may not be the "leader of the attack" per se but he is absolutely the heart and soul of that team.

More of the fist of the team really.

 

[ankitj]

Partnership breakers are generally **** trundlers in the team. McGrath was never called a partnership breaker; Tendulkar and Ganguly on the other hand were. That tells you everything about the concept of "partnership breaking bowlers"

 

[gabbadan]

Be interesting to see how Puvocski handles accurate bowling.