The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[h_hurricane]

Among players prior to that, Merchant makes my 2nd team.

1st XI

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Laxman
Dhoni(wk)
Kapil
Ashwin
Shami
Bumrah

2nd XI

Merchant
Mankad
Pujara
Hazare
Vishwanath
Umrigar
Jadeja
Kirmani(wk)
Srinath
Zaheer
Ishant

3rd XI

Murali Vijay
Gambhir
Vengsarkar
Amarnath
Rahane
Ganguly
Engineer
Bhuvaneshwar
Kumble
Umesh
Bedi

Leaving Azhar out for obvious reasons.

 

[bagapath]

then you should divide Indian test history into two (almost) equal halves and go for:

Pre 1978 India

Merchant
Gavaskar
Viswanath
Hazare *
Umrigar
Mankad
Kirmani +
Nissar
Amar Singh
Bedi
Gupte

versus

Post 1978 India

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Kapil Dev
Dhoni *+
Ashwin
Kumble
Zaheer
Bumrah

 

[bagapath]

I think the top order is pretty much equal

Post 1978 team has better pace bowling, and the pre 1978 team has more potent spin bowling

The all rounders and wicket keepers are also kind of equal

Late middle order batting quality in the recent team is decidedly better. Dhoni could be the game changer.

 

[stephen]

I'd drop Zaheer and pick Jadeja. Jadeja offers more with both bat and ball. Kapil and Bumrah are good enough to cover pace needs. Then you're not batting Kapil two spots too high either.

 

[h_hurricane]

On a side note, found that Ashwin's away record has been incredible since mid 2015. Averages 23.8 (97 wickets from 21 matches).

Even when restricted to SENA countries, he averages a very good 27.02 during this period.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[aussie tragic]

Removing all bias, here's the

All-time ICC Rankings XI (1920-2020)
1. Hutton
2. Hobbs
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Ponting
6. Sobers
7. Sangakarra (+)
8. Imran
9. Cummins
10. Muralitharan
11. McGrath

Big flaw is of course no ranking for keeper so Sangakarra as the #8 all-time ranked batsman who kept in 48 Tests gets it, unless someone knows another unbiased WK ranking system

Barnes and Lohman are #1 and #2 all-time ranked bowlers but excluded because pre-1920

 

[TheJediBrah]

Seems pretty fair tbh, other than Sangakkara and Muralitharan (chucker)

 

[aussie tragic]

Current ICC Rankings XI

1. Warner
2. Latham
3. Williamson
4. Smith
5. Kohli
6. Stokes
7. de Kock (+)
8. Ashwin
9. Cummins
10. Broad
11. Wagner

Warner (6) and Latham (10) highest ranked openers. de Kock is keeper with the highest batting ranking (13). Ashwin is the highest ranked spinner (#9 bowler)

 

[Line and Length]

then you should divide Indian test history into two (almost) equal halves and go for:

Pre 1978 India

Merchant
Gavaskar
Viswanath
Hazare *
Umrigar
Mankad
Kirmani +
Nissar
Amar Singh
Bedi
Gupte

versus

Post 1978 India

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Kapil Dev
Dhoni *+
Ashwin
Kumble
Zaheer
Bumrah

I think Kapil Dev batting at 6 is a bit high. He did best, and batted most of his career, at 7 and 8.

 

[honestbharani]

On a side note, found that Ashwin's away record has been incredible since mid 2015. Averages 23.8 (97 wickets from 21 matches).

Even when restricted to SENA countries, he averages a very good 27.02 during this period.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

He is easily the best spinner in the world for me and has been for a while. I guess the issue is that the next best is Jaddu and he is also a better bat and therefore, when selecting only one spinner for those conditions, one of these two miss out. But I think this test has shown us the blue print for at least next few years.

 

[honestbharani]

Seems pretty fair tbh, other than Sangakkara and Muralitharan (chucker)

0/10.

 

[Burgey]

Current ICC Rankings XI

1. Warner
2. Latham
3. Williamson
4. Smith
5. Kohli
6. Stokes
7. de Kock (+)
8. Ashwin
9. Cummins
10. Broad
11. Wagner

Warner (6) and Latham (10) highest ranked openers. de Kock is keeper with the highest batting ranking (13). Ashwin is the highest ranked spinner (#9 bowler)

Pretty good side actually. Would have Bumrah over Broad.

 

[Burgey]

Removing all bias, here's the

All-time ICC Rankings XI (1920-2020)
1. Hutton
2. Hobbs
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Ponting
6. Sobers
7. Sangakarra (+)
8. Imran
9. Cummins
10. Muralitharan
11. McGrath

Big flaw is of course no ranking for keeper so Sangakarra as the #8 all-time ranked batsman who kept in 48 Tests gets it, unless someone knows another unbiased WK ranking system

Barnes and Lohman are #1 and #2 all-time ranked bowlers but excluded because pre-1920

Not enough Australians tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pretty good side actually. Would have Bumrah over Broad.

have to have at least 1 chucker?

 

[Burgey]

have to have at least 1 chucker?

Yeah, hence Murali in the AT side I suppose

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not a bad policy, diversity and all that

 

[honestbharani]

 

[Fuller Pilch]

NZ test team retired before 2010

G Turner
S Dempster
A Jones
M Crowe
M Donnelly
JR Reid
C Cairns
R Hadlee
I Smith
J Bracewell
J Cowie/S Bond

(or one of Reid and Cairns at 6 and both Cowie and Bond)

vs

NZ test team of players who've played since 2010

T Latham
B McCullum
K Williamson
R Taylor
H Nicholls/J Ryder
BJ Watling
C De Grandhomme
D Vettori
T Southee
N Wagner
T Boult

The earlier team has much better openers and Hadlee, but it would be an interesting match especially as they'd be against a team with proven combinations.

 

[h_hurricane]

have to have at least 1 chucker?

Apparently the case. Opens the case for Glenn Mcgrath too.

 

[mr_mister]

I feel NZ atm has like 4-5 of their 10 best ever bowlers around the test setup. Would back the current team