h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Sobers played a lot of tests after SA's ban.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
The XI players mentioned most in this thread.
Hutton
Hobbs
Bradman
Richards
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Marshall
Warne
Murali
Hutton
Hobbs
Bradman
Richards
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Marshall
Warne
Murali
_00_deathscar
International Regular
I don't disagree with the overall premise overall, however;
1. The match might be played in Australia or West Indies, where Sehwag has done well. This is different from Warne who was tonked by 3 very specific members of that batting lineup, in both India and Australia. Now unless Warne is some sort of genius against the Indian batting line up in very specific English conditions, then that line doesn't work.
2. The REAL main difference is that the second team doesn't have a host of other great/relatively great openers to call upon, unless you throw someone like Dravid to the opening slot instead. I would happily replace Sehwag if you can offer up someone better.
The first team on the other hand has an embarassment of riches to call upon, even if it's not a like-for-like scenario. It might actually work out better in this very specific instance to go in with an extra fast bowler who would likely average ~20 or thereabouts and Sobers being the spinner, than not having that extra pace bowler averaging ~20, and Warne being a frontline spinner (and Sobers will bowl a few overs anyway) vs that batting lineup.
Coronis
International Coach
Having an extra pace bowler in that side is absolutely ridiculous when you already have 3 of the greatest fast bowlers ever and you’d be giving up one of the greatest spinners of all time (and leaving Sobers as your only spinner against that lineup??) in exchange. You’d be giving the other team a huge advantage for no good reason.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
This is where your line of thinking is flawed. Warne isn't in the team to specifically bowl to just three guys.
Picking the 4th best paceman (when you already have Sobers to bowl pace if needed) to replace Warne is idiotic. There's plenty of reason why teams throughout history have almost always chosen at least one frontline spin bowler in their XIs. I can spell these reasons out to you if you need, but I'd assume you already know what they are.
Whenever you pick an AT XI, always focus on variety. The greater the set of skills one brings to the table the better. Cricketers need to complement each other, not duplicate each other. You're showcasing the breadth of talent, not just for spectacle reasons but to handle all possible match scenarios, be it opposition, grounds, weather conditions, eras....
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If the match is played in Australia or India Murali would get tonked as well. If he averages 100 in Australia against the likes of Langer and Watson, imagine the new arsehole Hobbs and Hutton would tear him. They grew up on stickies remember.
But just because Tendulkar can bowl some decent leg spin is no reason to drop Murali.
It's mostly just that India as a country is terrible for cricket, favouring spin bowlers who are quicker through the air and defensive bowling. It's getting better in recent years but when Warne and Murali played in particular the pitches were ill suited to their bowling styles. Which isn't making excuses for either of them at all. I'd still pick both of them for their respective teams.
But just because Tendulkar can bowl some decent leg spin is no reason to drop Murali.
It's mostly just that India as a country is terrible for cricket, favouring spin bowlers who are quicker through the air and defensive bowling. It's getting better in recent years but when Warne and Murali played in particular the pitches were ill suited to their bowling styles. Which isn't making excuses for either of them at all. I'd still pick both of them for their respective teams.
JBMAC
State Captain
Surprised you could not fit Colin Cowdrey in there.
ataraxia
International Coach
Cowdrey played his last test in 1975; therefore he would not fit into the latter side.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Amazing
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
And Warne was always injured
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
bagapath
International Captain
You're right. My bad
Corrected teams
Players that retired before Bradman's debut:
WG Grace *
VT Trumper
Clem Hill
KS Ranjitsinhji
C McCartney
GA Faulkner
J Blackham +
Sid Barnes
Fred Spofforth
Bobby Peel
George Loahmann
Players that debuted after Bradman's retirement and retired before (or didn't play tests after) South Africa's banishment:
Conrad Hunte
Hanif Mohammad
PBH May
Ken Barrington
GA Pollock
Ted Dexter
Johnny Waite +
Richie Benaud *
Alan Davidson
Trueman
Wes Hall
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Current XIs (Big 3 vs the rest)
Big 3
Warner in Australia/Rohit in India (Sibley or Burns elsewhere??
Agarwal
Labuschagne/Pujara/Root
Smith
Kohli c
Stokes
Paine wk
Ashwin/Jadeja
Cummins
Anderson
Bumrah
The rest
Karunaratne
Latham
Williamson c
Babar
R Taylor
Shakib
Watling/De Kock/M Rahim wk
Holder
Rabada
Wagner
Abbas/Southee
Would be an interesting match. The big 3 has stronger batting, but the rest has a stronger tail and more depth in its bowling. Perhaps Pujara should open for the big 3.
Big 3
Warner in Australia/Rohit in India (Sibley or Burns elsewhere??
Agarwal
Labuschagne/Pujara/Root
Smith
Kohli c
Stokes
Paine wk
Ashwin/Jadeja
Cummins
Anderson
Bumrah
The rest
Karunaratne
Latham
Williamson c
Babar
R Taylor
Shakib
Watling/De Kock/M Rahim wk
Holder
Rabada
Wagner
Abbas/Southee
Would be an interesting match. The big 3 has stronger batting, but the rest has a stronger tail and more depth in its bowling. Perhaps Pujara should open for the big 3.
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