The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[mr_mister]

Yeah any ATG XI without Hobbs/Hutton at top seems like its trying too hard to be funky. It just makes so much sense to put them 1 and 2

 

[aussie tragic]

(Sobers batted at 7 a few more times in Tests, but in the ones linked above it's clearly his intended batting position, rather than the result of using a nightwatchman).

Sobers batting at 7 a few times is so much different than to pick him as the #7 in an ATG team...I mean Don Bradman and Greg Chappell both debuted at #7, so picking Sobers at 7 is just as crazy as picking either of those two at 7

 

[mr_mister]

Nah not really coz the shift from 6 to 7 is not huge in terms of role change compared to 3 to 7.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah any ATG XI without Hobbs/Hutton at top seems like its trying too hard to be funky. It just makes so much sense to put them 1 and 2

I’ll stick with Hobbs and Sutcliffe thanks.

 

[mr_mister]

Hutton > Sutcliffe by nearly all accounts. Sutcliffe apparently couldn't handle true pace and bounce

 

[aussie tragic]

Nah not really coz the shift from 6 to 7 is not huge in terms of role change compared to 3 to 7.

Lol, Sobers batted only 13 times at #7 from 93 Tests (remember he batted 7-9 early on because he was selected as a spinner), 4 times he remained not out, so why would you bat one of the top 5 batsman in the World ever at #7 so he can keep running out of partners

 

[mr_mister]

Maybe you missed my point. But Sobers was a 6 yeah? Moving a 6 to 7 isn't too drastic

Just like you might have to move a 3 to 4 or vice versa to make many teams ATG XI's able to feature 2 of a country's best bats

3 to 7 is a way bigger change in role

 

[aussie tragic]

Maybe you missed my point. But Sobers was a 6 yeah? Moving a 6 to 7 isn't too drastic

Just like you might have to move a 3 to 4 or vice versa to make many teams ATG XI's able to feature 2 of a country's best bats

3 to 7 is a way bigger change in role

How do you figure Sobers was a #6. He averaged 63.75 at #4, 59.21 at #5 and "only" 53.36 at #6.

He batted more times at 5 than 6 and only batted 5-6 because he needed an obvious rest from his massive bowling load

Edit: oops, as pointed out he batted 6 more than 5

 

[Himannv]

Yeah any ATG XI without Hobbs/Hutton at top seems like its trying too hard to be funky. It just makes so much sense to put them 1 and 2

Agreed, but you can sort of see why Willis would go with Barry Richards there. He actually had to bowl to him a few times and can probably attest to his quality.

 

[honestbharani]

Man, we need to lay off the critiques on cricketers selecting ATG XIs. Except obvious dubious ones like Warney picking the keeper he worked with in FC cricket etc. But Willis selecting someone he bowled to as the opener of his AT XI is not really that controversial, is it? Many folks rate Barry Richards very high, especially ones who were lucky enough to watch him bat.

 

[aussie tragic]

Nah, Willis picking Barry Richard's as a Test opener, Sangakkarra as WK batting 6 thus forcing Sobers to bat 7 is much more ludicrous than any Warne XI

 

[mr_mister]

How do you figure Sobers was a #6. He averaged 63.75 at #4, 59.21 at #5 and "only" 53.36 at #6.

He batted more times at 5 than 6 and only batted 5-6 because he needed an obvious rest from his massive bowling load

Where'd you get the info about him batting more at 5 than at 6? From what I can see he batted 57 innings at 6(the most he batted anywhere) and only 37 at 5

 

[TheJediBrah]

How do you figure Sobers was a #6. He averaged 63.75 at #4, 59.21 at #5 and "only" 53.36 at #6.

He batted more times at 5 than 6 and only batted 5-6 because he needed an obvious rest from his massive bowling load

Bro it's an ATG team. It's not surprising that someone might bat lower in it than they did for their country

 

[mr_mister]

Bro it's an ATG team. It's not surprising that someone might bat lower in it than they did for their country

Not too mention Sobers most common position for his country was 6. So it's barely a shift in role

 

[aussie tragic]

Not too mention Sobers most common position for his country was 6. So it's barely a shift in role

No he batted 67 innings at 5, 57 innings at 6, at least keep it factual when you state things as fact or we won't believe you anymore

 

[mr_mister]

Garry Sobers - Performance Analysis by Batting Position - Test Cricket

Sobers, G S A - Summary of performances for each batting position - Test Cricket

www.howstat.com

That's what I'm going by

 

[mr_mister]

@aussie tragic

Care to post your source mate? Since you value facts and all

Or should I just go ahead and book your optometrist appointment for you?

 

[h_hurricane]

Sobers is possibly the second best batsman in that team after Bradman, or near or there abouts. Batting him at #7 is under utilization of his batting might. There was a more genuine reason for him to bat at no.6 in his era, as he had to take a good share of the bowling workload as well. In an ATG team though, he won't be required to bowl more than 10-12 overs per day. The lowest he should be batting is #6 in an ATG team.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sobers is possibly the second best batsman in that team after Bradman, or near or there abouts. Batting him at #7 is under utilization of his batting might. There was a more genuine reason for him to bat at no.6 in his era, as he had to take a good share of the bowling workload as well. In an ATG team though, he won't be required to bowl more than 10-12 overs per day. The lowest he should be batting is #6 in an ATG team.

There is precedence of batting someone at 7 below inferior players because they had a dual role. eg. Gilchrist

 

[honestbharani]

Sobers best position in any ATG XI is #5.