The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[NotMcKenzie]

This video has some interesting footage of Lindwall and Larwood. Apparently Larwood was the "undisputed speed king" who bowled at "70mph"

That may have measured speed at the batsman's end though, in which case he could well have been delivering at 90+ mph.

Simple explanation there is that somebody slipped Jack Davey (the Australian commentator) the wrong number.

 

[h_hurricane]

An XI picked exclusively from the ATG WI team of 1976-1994 and Australia from 1995-2007

Gordon Greenidge
Mathew Hayden
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn Mcgrath

 

[trundler]

Swap Ponting and Viv imo.

 

[h_hurricane]

Swap Ponting and Viv imo.

Not a bad choice, but I would love to see Viv take the new ball head on if one of the openers get dismissed.

 

[h_hurricane]

An XI picked exclusively from the ATG WI team of 1976-1994 and Australia from 1995-2007

Gordon Greenidge
Mathew Hayden
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn Mcgrath

An XI who locked horns against them in their playing days and did well against them.

Sunil Gavaskar
Graham Gooch
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohinder Amarnath
Allan Border
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Rodney Marsh
Richard Hadlee
Anil Kumble

6 Indians in this XI, but I guess there aren't many better options.

 

[honestbharani]

I would actually bat Ponting at 6 and Steve Waugh at 5 in your original side.. And Jimmy Amarnath at 3 and VVS at 6 with Border at 5 in this one. I juz like the tough as nails batsmen at 5 and the stroke makers at 6.

 

[Tom Flint]

Gooch could go 3 and boycott to open. Sachin 4 with vvs at 5

 

[bagapath]

An XI picked exclusively from the ATG WI team of 1976-1994 and Australia from 1995-2007

Gordon Greenidge
Mathew Hayden
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn Mcgrath

I'll go a little narrow on the matter and choose the best XI out of Clive Lloyd's West Indies after the 1980 NZ series until the 1984-85 Australia series, and Steve Waugh's Australia until his retirement.

Matthew Hayden
Gordon Greenidge
Ricky Ponting
Viv Richards
Clive Lloyd (c)
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Joel Garner
Glen McGrath

 

[trundler]

McGrath and Garner bit samey so I'd go Holding

 

[Burgey]

An XI who locked horns against them in their playing days and did well against them.

Sunil Gavaskar
Graham Gooch
VVS Laxman
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohinder Amarnath
Allan Border
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Rodney Marsh
Richard Hadlee
Anil Kumble

6 Indians in this XI, but I guess there aren't many better options.

I can't believe you would speak in so deprecating a manner about Indian cricketers in these eras. Very disappointing tstl.

While you're here, don't forget to vote for fellow Indian fan Burgey in the upcoming Quarter Finals in the BOTM thread here

 

[Burgey]

McGrath and Garner bit samey so I'd go Holding

Interesting you say this, cos I don't know that they really were tbh. Both tall streaks of pelican **** but that aside their MOs were pretty different imho.

Personally I'd always choose blokes who get bounce over a flatter trajectory bowler who's faster, unless the latter is someone like Wasim who hoops it around corners and brings more than just raw pace to the table.

 

[honestbharani]

or Steyn... The flatter trajectory works if they can move the ball in the air actually, even if its not off the pitch. Otherwise, yeah bounce probably preferable, also coz they can be more economical in general.

 

[stephen]

I would rather face Holding than Garner, especially if McGrath is at the other end.

 

[trundler]

Interesting you say this, cos I don't know that they really were tbh. Both tall streaks of pelican **** but that aside their MOs were pretty different imho.

Personally I'd always choose blokes who get bounce over a flatter trajectory bowler who's faster, unless the latter is someone like Wasim who hoops it around corners and brings more than just raw pace to the table.

You're probably right. I may have simply grouped both together in my mind bases on the height bounce factor. Still, Holding adds a bit of pace and X factor which is a point of difference. Or Roberts for that matter. McGrath and Garner bowling together would be a dream too. With Marshall there's already enough skiddy pace in the attack you could say.

 

[bagapath]

Aussie XI with batters averaging under 45 and bowlers averaging over 27.
WK averaging under 25.
one all-rounder with a 30+ bowling average.
and two spinners in the five man attack.

Victor Trumper
Mark Taylor
Clem Hill
Mark Waugh
Charlie McCartney
Warwick Armstrong
Richie Benaud (C)
Mitchell Johnson
Don Tallon (wk)
Jeff Thomson
Terry Alderman

 

[stephen]

McDermott over Alderman.

 

[mr_mister]

Macartney actually has the better spinning record than Armstrong, I assume you were referring to Armstrong as the second spinner in that 5 man attack though

With Armstrong surplus to requirements(hell even Mark Waugh could bowl some overs too) I'd take another specialist middle order bat instead of him, either Ian Chappell, Darren Lehmann or David Boon

 

[AndrewB]

Aussie XI with batters averaging under 45 and bowlers averaging over 27.
WK averaging under 25.
one all-rounder with a 30+ bowling average.
and two spinners in the five man attack.

Victor Trumper
Mark Taylor
Clem Hill
Mark Waugh
Charlie McCartney
Warwick Armstrong
Richie Benaud (C)
Mitchell Johnson
Don Tallon (wk)
Jeff Thomson
Terry Alderman

England & West Indies equivalents:

WG Grace
Graham Gooch
Ranjitsinhji
Tom Graveney
Graham Thorpe
Tony Greig*
Ray Illingworth
Godfrey Evans+
Harold Larwood
Stuart Broad
Darren Gough

Gordon Greenidge
Roy Fredericks
Lawrence Rowe
Alvin Kallicharran
Richie Richardson*
Gerry Gomez
Learie Constantine
Deryck Murray+
Sylvester Clarke
Sonny Ramadhin
Lance Gibbs

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Has anyone tried this?

BBC World Test XI

 

[a massive zebra]

Has anyone tried this?

BBC World Test XI

Shakib isn't even an option. What a joke.