andrew flintoff was a bit **** really

[honestbharani]

I don't think it is fair to say Swann did not deserve his DRS wickets. The only point is that there are many other spinners from earlier eras who did not have that as a wicket taking option and hence we had to endure players like "Paddams".

 

[Bijed]

I don't think it is fair to say Swann did not deserve his DRS wickets. The only point is that there are many other spinners from earlier eras who did not have that as a wicket taking option and hence we had to endure players like "Paddams".

Yeah, at the end of the day, DRS is just another factor that can complicate comparing between eras, although it's probably more specific to spinners than the other, more general, differences between eras.

 

[trundler]

More generally it means you can knock 3 runs off decent touring bowler's average in Pakistan. #shakoorrana

 

[Kirkut]

I look fondly back at Swann purely for being one of the only non-chucking finger spinners of his time

To be honest we must allow chucking and ball tampering. Cricket is the most classist game I know where batsmen enjoy all privileges.

Edit: My opinions on match fixing won't change, it's always wrong by default.

 

[stephen]

More generally it means you can knock 3 runs off decent touring bowler's average in Pakistan. #shakoorrana

Hey so that gets Lillee's average there down to 97!

 

[TheJediBrah]

Interesting that there are so many Sri Lankan batsmen with epic 50-70 averages at home if they were constantly playing on dust bowls.

firstly, are there? How many during the 2010's?

secondly, I didn't say they were constantly playing on dustbowls. You're arguing a strawman

tbf it’s not exactly a shock that most cricketers excel at their chosen discipline on home soil given those are the conditions they’ve grown up in, that’s hardly a controversial assertion

same reason is applicable to why nathan lyon’s style of bowling off spin trumps murali’s in australia eleven times out of ten but murali’s trumps lyon’s in the subcontinent eleven times from ten tbh

This is absolutely true as well. You could say the same about a lot of places, not just Sri Lanka. How do Starc, Hazlewood etc. average below 30 with the ball in Australia when half the Aus batsmen (even some pretty ordinary ones) average 50-60+ at home?

 

[Flem274*]

why have you ruined my thread with atg discussion?

 

[Gnske]

nerds man, nerds

 

[hendrix]

Fun Fact - take away all of Steve Smith's 100s, and he still averages 35.42 - more than Shaun Marsh's full test career average of 34.31

Just popping in to say that this is an outrageous stat. wtf

 

[a massive zebra]

Steve Smith's average of 35.42 excluding hundreds isn't really as exceptional as his overall average in comparison to others. Among those who have played at least 30 innings of under 100, Steve Smith's average isn't in the top 20. If we include hundreds, his average jumps to second.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...9;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=batting
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

 

[honestbharani]

Qualify it to 100+ innings and he is clearly top of the mountain.


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...ualval2=innings;template=results;type=batting

 

[trundler]

Lots of openers and #5s in that list.

 

[honestbharani]

And hence my theory that your odd number batters should be good at stonewalling while you put your stroke makers in the even number positions, in the top 6.

 

[trundler]

To go back to an earlier discussion, was Australia just as bad for touring finger spinners before drop-in pitches?

 

[cnerd123]

Shakib has a higher 100-less average than Sobers heh

 

[trundler]

Sobers has an insane 26 hundreds in 93 tests primarily batting in the AR spot. Ridiculous.

 

[a massive zebra]

26 hundreds in 93 tests, not innings. But yes, it is pretty insane given where he batted.

 

[trundler]

Don't binge watch and post, kids.

 

[TheJediBrah]

And hence my theory that your odd number batters should be good at stonewalling while you put your stroke makers in the even number positions, in the top 6.

Is this a joke or do you actually think this

 

[GIMH]

why have you ruined my thread with atg discussion?

You ruined it with the op bro. But I still love you