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These guys are like the paprika in a creamy bowl of mashed potatoes.
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andrew flintoff was a bit **** really
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TheJediBrah
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Herath is possibly the most overrated player on this site
Don't get me wrong, he was great at bowling on dustbowls, but he's even more useless away from his favoured conditions than Jimmy Anderson
Apologies to his roundness for the blasphemy
Line and Length
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Some really interesting discussions here.
re the Laker/Underwood/Swann topic, there is no doubt the first two were more able to take advantage of spin-friendly pitches while I believe Swann's ability to resort to flight and guile on flat tracks made him valuable in all conditions.
re the Laker/Underwood/Swann topic, there is no doubt the first two were more able to take advantage of spin-friendly pitches while I believe Swann's ability to resort to flight and guile on flat tracks made him valuable in all conditions.
Lillian Thomson
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Swann was a mediocre County spinner made into a Test bowler by DRS. Underwood would have another 150 wickets in the Swann era.
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Swann mastered DRS so well that even his wickets that were clearly not out on DRS weren't overturned
edit: this is a joke about Khawaja in 2013
edit: this is a joke about Khawaja in 2013
ImpatientLime
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swap names
swap drs for uncovered pitches
blah blah
swap drs for uncovered pitches
blah blah
TheJediBrah
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I look fondly back at Swann purely for being one of the only non-chucking finger spinners of his time
Shady Slim
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as lime said tbf herath away is one of the best examples of (post vaas) a time when a bowler had absolutely zero support from his teammates
i know a truly elite bowler will excel home and away regardless of their supporting cast but nobody’s going to do well in australia when nuwan pradeep is the leader of your pace attack
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A ridiculous comment.
a massive zebra
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Interesting that there are so many Sri Lankan batsmen with epic 50-70 averages at home if they were constantly playing on dust bowls.
Shady Slim
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tbf it’s not exactly a shock that most cricketers excel at their chosen discipline on home soil given those are the conditions they’ve grown up in, that’s hardly a controversial assertion
same reason is applicable to why nathan lyon’s style of bowling off spin trumps murali’s in australia eleven times out of ten but murali’s trumps lyon’s in the subcontinent eleven times from ten tbh
a massive zebra
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Absolutely. It is about as credible as saying Swann would have another 150 wickets in the Underwood era due to uncovered wickets. IIRC, Underwood averaged something like 18 before the abolition of uncovered wickets and 29 after.
Shady Slim
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thinking about how people who only come here to visit CC and have not been here for long will see this and think “who tf is this clown” and they don’t even know what they’re missing out on either. truly no way to browse the forum tbhwy
a massive zebra
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Obviously Laker was more deadly than Swann on spin friendly pitches, but I would say he was also a better example of a beautiful flighter of the ball with plenty of variation who could succeed under all conditions. Laker succeeded everywhere and against everyone, including an average of 21 in Australia, which is amongst the best ever for a finger spinner and miles better than Swann who was really exposed in this finger spinners graveyard.
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Lillian Thomson
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Uncovered wickets is nothing to do with anything. It didn't rain every time Underwood came onto bowl, nor did he play more than a handful of Tests after uncovered wickets were stopped in England in the late 70's. In his day batsman could play spinners with their pads as long as they got a stride in they wouldn't be given out LBW. In Swann's day LBW was never taken out the equation and batsman were forced to play more with the bat thus taking greater risks. Swann was a decent bowler (my original comment is known as using exaggeration to make a point) but he wouldn't have been anywhere as effective pre DRS.
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Well between pitches being covered and DRS there have been 0 notable finger spinners outside of Asia. I think it is at least partly justifiable to attribute this to the covering it pitches. Oh and Laker struggled against the best batting order of his time, WI, too. Not Warne and India level bad but it's there. That said no spinner has a hole-less record. All I'm saying is Swann is in the conversation. I'll admit that Underwood, Laker and Verity don't appear the sort to desert their team mid-series though.
Swann stands at out as decent in a dry era. Laker is outstanding in a richer era.
Swann stands at out as decent in a dry era. Laker is outstanding in a richer era.
sledger
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Yeah this is even worse than my "Michael Clarke is not very good" thread.
I hear your point loud and clear, but I think that downplays how good Swann was. He became a guy who yeah,got a lot of lbws because he had a slider that could find the outside edge of a RH or hit the pads of a LHers, plus he ripped his offie too - so he became a double threat, especially mentally. DRS only gave him just desserts based on his skill.