The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[TheJediBrah]

Prior was a very good keeper and batsman, one of our best players of the last 20 years or so and a big reason we got to no1.

Prior wasn't a particularly good keeper, but he was a lot better than Geriant Jones. Prior was a very good batsman for a keeper though.

Isn't there like specialist keepers in some test teams now?

1. Shane Dowrich
2. Wridhiman Saha
3. BJ Watling


In the Caribbean, we have a few more up and coming guys: Amir Jangoo(who I think is the best glove man in the region), Bramble, etc.

Watling is a fine batsman. Definitely not just a specialist keeper

 

[trundler]

Watling started out as a batsman too. Did the opposite of Gilchrist in that he started keeping to maximize his chances of being selected. Not a bad keeper by any means but I doubt he's special.

Prior vs Watling, anyone?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Yeah, my lack of NZ cricket knowledge is showing here.

Is Tommy Latham a better keeper than Wating?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Watling started out as a batsman too. Did the opposite of Gilchrist in that he started keeping to maximize his chances of being selected. Not a bad keeper by any means but I doubt he's special.

Prior vs Watling, anyone?

I'd go with Watling but it's always tricky judging NZ cricketers, their stats are generally much inflated relative to their actual ability.

 

[stephen]

I'd go with Watling but it's always tricky judging NZ cricketers, their stats are generally much inflated relative to their actual ability.

Bowlers perhaps, but I think their batsmen average less than they're truly worth.

 

[trundler]

Watling is undersold by his average, if anything. Never seen a keeper make so many tough runs and deliver consistently under pressure. Wish he downhill skis more to get his average on the right side of 40. Played an important hand for NZ in UAE and SL. Can't ask for more on the batting front.

 

[h_hurricane]

I'd go with Watling but it's always tricky judging NZ cricketers, their stats are generally much inflated relative to their actual ability.

Not sure if you meant this about the NZ players you watched or historically all of them. Hadlee was a true exception to this though. Performed as well abroad as at home. In some of his freakishly brilliant performances, destroyed Australia in Australia and India in India.

Hadlee, to me, is the best post world war 2 cricketer from down under.

 

[ataraxia]

Not sure if you meant this about the NZ players you watched or historically all of them. Hadlee was a true exception to this though. Performed as well abroad as at home. In some of his freakishly brilliant performances, destroyed Australia in Australia and India in India.

Hadlee, to me, is the best post world war 2 cricketer from down under.

Gilchrist over Hadlee IMO.

 

[bagapath]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

 

[h_hurricane]

Gilchrist over Hadlee IMO.

Gilly pretty much up there as well. Both are automatic picks for my ATG XI.

 

[h_hurricane]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

A bit thin on bowling,otherwise pretty good XI. Only Imran(clearly) and Miller(arguably) are at ATG level. if you pick Hadlee and Pollock instead of Botham and Kallis, all the bases are covered. Would give another ATG team a good run for their money.

 

[Tom Flint]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

Dilshan should be there, He is the ultimate wk, batsman, all rounder.
Other keepers who can bowl, dhoni, mccullum

 

[harsh.ag]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

Alec Stewart
Rahul Dravid
Kumar Sangakkara
AB de Villiers
Garry Sobers
Andy Flower
Adam Gilchrist +
Ian Botham
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Shaun Pollock

 

[AndrewB]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

That’s 7 keepers and 5 bowlers.
Plus if you’re picking keepers purely as batsmen, Walcott surely gets in ahead of Ames.

 

[ataraxia]

WG Grace
AJ Stewart
KC Sangakkara
A Flower
AB de Villiers
CL Walcott
AC Gilchrist +
MJ Procter
Imran Khan
R Benaud*
RJ Hadlee

No Sobers; I rate Grace highly and Grace is a bigger gain over a bad (in context) opening batsman than Sobers is over Walcott/Flower/whoever. Another option is Rhodes at the top of the order and then another pacer can be brought in ahead of Benaud.

 

[JBMAC]

6 WK BATSMEN AND 5 ALLROUNDERS

Brendon McCullum
Alec Stewart
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakara
Andy Flower
AB De Villiers
Gary Sobers *
Les Ames
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham

You surprise me bagpath Why would you put Flow.ers and Sangakara ahead of Farok Engineer who I consider the best gloveman to come out of the sub continent .

 

[smash84]

You surprise me bagpath Why would you put Flow.ers and Sangakara ahead of Farok Engineer who I consider the best gloveman to come out of the sub continent .

Because he wants a team of wicket keeper batsmen, not necessarily the best wicket keeping skills.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If we're calling Flower a keeper than I'd consider Dravid too

 

[ataraxia]

If we're calling Flower a keeper than I'd consider Dravid too

Alec Stewart
Rahul Dravid
Kumar Sangakkara
AB de Villiers
Garry Sobers
Andy Flower
Adam Gilchrist +
Ian Botham
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Shaun Pollock

.

 

[TheJediBrah]

great minds