The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread (white ball edition)

[h_hurricane]

My 2nd ATG XI will look like this.

Rohit Sharma
Sanath Jayasuriya
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Andrew Symonds
M S Dhoni
Imran Khan
Shaun Pollock
Richard Hadlee
Curtly Ambrose
Muttiah Muralitharan

Will give the first one a good run for their money..

 

[Migara]

I still cannot fathom how Warne ends up in front of Murali and Saqlain in ODIs.

 

[h_hurricane]

I still cannot fathom how Warne ends up in front of Murali and Saqlain in ODIs.

In my first XI, with Kapil and Wasim at 7 and 8, I wanted a semi decent hitter at 9. Hence opted for Warne. Murali and Saqlain were anyways as good. Nothing much separating them for me.

 

[mr_mister]

I will do the Zimbabwe XI

Neil Johnson (4)
Grant Flower (7)
Brendon Taylor
Andy Flower
Dave Houghton (c)
Sikandar Raza (6)
Tatenda Taibu (wk)
Heath Streak (2)
Andy Blignaut (3)
John Traicos (5)
Eddo Brandes (1)

Guy Whitall, Paul Strang, Travis Friend, Henry Olonga and Murray Goodwin are unlucky to miss out.

I feel Goodwin is the clear number 2 best ever Zim bat after Andy Flower so would have him in there somewhere despite his ODI record not being amazing

 

[jimmy101]

Yeah good looking Zim side. Goodwin vs Raza is an interesting one. Sean Ervine, Stuart Carlisle & Sean Williams are also in the mix for that slot imo. Also Hami deserves a special mention.

I would also consider any of Strang, Cremer or Price for the spinner's role. Traicos was well past his prime by the time he played for Zimbabwe.

I'd sub out Blignaut for an extra spinner, as that's been Zimbabwe's strength in recent times.

 

[stephen]

My ATG XI

Sachin Tendulkar
Sanath Jayasuriya (6)
Viv Richards (c) (7)
Jaques Kallis (5)
Virat Kohli
AB Devilliers
MS Dhoni (wk)
Shaun Pollock (2)
Wasim Akram (3)
Muralitharan (4)
Glenn McGrath (1)

2nd XI

Rohit Sharma
Adam Gilchrist
Brian Lara
Ross Taylor
Martin Crowe
Micahel Bevan (6)
Kapil Dev'(4)
Saqlain Mushtaq(5)
Brett Lee (3)
Waqar Younis (1)
Allan Donald (2)

Itstl.

 

[stephen]

I do think below bowlers are terribly under-rated in ODIs. Should make more ATG XIs.

Richard Hadlee
Curtly Ambrose
Shaun Pollock

Hadlee probably doesn't for the same reason Lillee doesn't - not recent players and not enough wickets to put them at the top of searches.

Pollock has a bit of a black mark for basically having McGrath's MO but not being as good as him at it.

Ambrose was a beast and is thoroughly underrated. Doesn't get talked about enough. And don't ask him to take off his sweat bands.

 

[stephen]

Scorecard - 1998-1999 West Indies v Australia - 18/04/1999

I watched the highlights of this game recently and realised how good Bevan was. Batting was insanely difficult on occasions in Bevans era, Jayasuriya hardly changed batting conditions overnight in '96, it was a slow burn to what we have today

Bevan did no favours to his strike rate (something that's held against him) yet it was a vital first innings rebuild much like in the '96 and '99 WC semis

Australia were 8-104 at one point and he just played an awesome rebuild

Yeah the game was different back then. Games would waver between 180 being competitive and 280 being competitive. Now it feels like 280 is a minimum and 380 isn't safe.

But then the bowling attack was Ambrose, Walsh and Dillon. Not exactly easy to face, particularly at home.

[Sunilz]Warne was man of the match, so obviously Bevan's innings wasn't really that good. [/sunilz]

 

[stephen]

I would go with the below team.

Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilchrist
Virat Kohli
Vivian Richards
AB Devilliers
Michael Bevan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Joel Garner
Glenn Mcgrath

That is pretty much my side except swap out Kapil for Klusener or maybe Symonds.

 

[h_hurricane]

Hadlee probably doesn't for the same reason Lillee doesn't - not recent players and not enough wickets to put them at the top of searches.

Pollock has a bit of a black mark for basically having McGrath's MO but not being as good as him at it.

Ambrose was a beast and is thoroughly underrated. Doesn't get talked about enough. And don't ask him to take off his sweat bands.

Unlike Lillee, Hadlee played well through the period after the infant years of ODIs. He has a lot more wickets than Lillee, was tested in a lot more countries and came through shining.

Pollock was clearly a better cricketer than Mcgrath in both the formats. It is just that Mcgrath's bowling makes him invaluable. I must admit that it was my mistake not to mention Pollock's batting in the previous post.

Agree with everything about Ambrose. Insane bowler, perennially under-rated in ODIs for whatever reason.

 

[h_hurricane]

That is pretty much my side except swap out Kapil for Klusener or maybe Symonds.

Symonds as the fifth bowler is a recipe for disaster. His deliveries would just float up to be hit, would be massacred by aggressive batsmen. He was a great ODI bat and a gun fielder. Might have found the 1st team at no.5 or 6 in a world where Devilliers didn't exist. Batting at no.7 is too low for him. The position warranties a full time bowler plus aggressive hitter. He makes my second XI where he doesn't have to do anything with the ball and fits perfectly at no.5.

Kapil vs Klusener is really close. Kapil the better hitter and better bowler. Klusener the better batsman.

 

[ankitj]

Hadlee's ER is comfortably better than Lillee, and the former played for 7 years after latter retired. Hadlee comfortably the better ODI bowler. And possibly next only to Joel Garner up to 1990.

 

[ankitj]

Yeah, Symonds as 5th bowler is a joke in an ATG ODI XI. I even think likes of Klusener will give way too much of an opening for opposition team. I would have Imran or probably Flintoff (who has better bowling record than Klusener). Pollock and Kapil on the other hand will be fair amount of downgrade with the bat on others mentioned.

 

[Migara]

Bangladesh XI

Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Soumya Sarkar
Shakib Al Hasan (c) (4)
Mushfiq-ur-Rahman (wk)
Mahmadullah Riyadh (6)
Nasir Hossain
Abdur Razzak (5)
Mazrafe Mortaza (1)
Muztafizur Rahman (3)
Rubel Hossain (2)

 

[h_hurricane]

East Africa XI

Frasat Ali
Samuel Walusimbi
Praful Mehta (wk)
Yunus Badat
Jawahir Shah
Harilal Shah (c)
Ramesh Sethi
Mehmood Quaraishy
Zulfiqar Ali
Parbhu Nana
Don Pringle

 

[honestbharani]

About Zim. there was this player Travis Friend. Always thought he had loads of potential that just went unfulfilled for whatever reason.

 

[Burgey]

He was a Wasteman

 

[Red]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HM8kTibg8E

Ian Bishop's ODI ATG XI:

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Viv Richards
Virat Kohli
AB de Villiers
Lance Klusener
MS Dhoni
Saqlain Mushtaq
Wasim Akram
Joel Garner
Glenn McGrath

Gun team. I would swap #3 and #4 and also #6 and #7

To play:

Adam Gilchrist
Rohit Sharma
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Shakib Al Hasan
Andrew Symonds
Mike Hussey
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Curtly Ambrose
Allan Donald

 

[Red]

Symonds as the fifth bowler is a recipe for disaster. His deliveries would just float up to be hit, would be massacred by aggressive batsmen. He was a great ODI bat and a gun fielder. Might have found the 1st team at no.5 or 6 in a world where Devilliers didn't exist. Batting at no.7 is too low for him. The position warranties a full time bowler plus aggressive hitter. He makes my second XI where he doesn't have to do anything with the ball and fits perfectly at no.5.

Kapil vs Klusener is really close. Kapil the better hitter and better bowler. Klusener the better batsman.

Christ, how many times does it have to be shown to you, in detail, that Symonds WAS adequate as a fifth bowler, and did do the job regularly, and offers something in that role?

 

[stephen]

To play:

Adam Gilchrist
Rohit Sharma
Ricky Ponting
Brian Lara
Shakib Al Hasan
Andrew Symonds
Mike Hussey
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Curtly Ambrose
Allan Donald

Sharma batting in both sides I see.