Marnus Labuschagne’s ceiling...

[honestbharani]

Well, its obvious you are either voluntarily or otherwise ignoring the intent or sentiment behind the post and just attacking the verbiage. I can of course stand my ground as I really do not see even if you were to take my post literally, how anything I said is not true. Coz all of it is.

But since it seems to be so important to you, I only meant to state that however much be the credit, GC deserves a bit of it for selecting Labuschagne when he did, as it would have been very easy to have overlooked him. It does not mean he was the guy who found his talent and nurtured it and got him to be what he is today. I never said that, never meant that. And if that is what you got from my original post, I am stating to you now, it was not. Hope you can let it go at least now.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

You are still sticking your head in the sand, his selection wasn't truly a punt in the first place, he genuinely deserved to be selected at that point in time.


How many times does this need to be repeated to you?

 

[honestbharani]

ROFL... genuinely deserved to be selected. Are you sure you are not the one shifting goalposts now?

I mean, you do realize Maxwell with a 50+ average and a test match hundred IN India was not selected and Marnus was selected ahead of him, for the A tour? Even if you are to bury your head under Sahara levels of sand, you can surely see at least that much is a bit of a punt.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I absolutely agree the non selection of Maxwell was a farce, but that doesn't make your point any less inaccurate. In a team shorn of their two best batsmen, there was always going to be vacancies, and Marnus was in the conversation because he had been performing domestically, not because Chappell or anyone else thought he might be a superstar one day

 

[honestbharani]

I absolutely agree the non selection of Maxwell was a farce, but that doesn't make your point any less inaccurate. In a team shorn of their two best batsmen, there was always going to be vacancies, and Marnus was in the conversation because he had been performing domestically, not because Chappell or anyone else thought he might be a superstar one day

And again, I never said that. Its stupid to keep arguing something when you are so resistant to facts and reality. Enjoy the saharean sands!!

 

[Adders]

Thanks for clearing this up GAS and TJB

Yeah, is about time everyone realises that when either of these two speak, the rest of us really should sit down and listen.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

My whole point is clear, the idea that Marnus Labuschagne was a left field selection is just a complete myth. He was genuinely performing at domestic level, so if Marnus was a punt therefore so is every cricketer to make their debut since the dawn of time

 

[mr_mister]

I think for those who had barely heard of him during that UAE tour such as myself his ridiculous name contributed to the comedy and apparent left fieldness

 

[trundler]

Literally arguing semantics.

To HB, a left field pick is simply just someone who was picked despite not being an incumbent. Bumrah in tests might be another example of this. Few wanted him there but he surprised everyone.

Only a literal no-name being plucked out of street cricket a la Wasim is a left field pick up GAS.

Now shut the **** up.

 

[mr_mister]

Was Peter Taylor a left field pick or was that a myth too

 

[GoodAreasShane]

No Peter Taylor is a perfect example of someone being plucked out of nowhere from an Australian context.

Second on the Shield runs list in the proceeding season is not nowhere

 

[MrPrez]

Temba Bavuma was a left field pick because he should have been left off the field.

 

[stephen]

Langer has already said that the reason Labuschagne kept getting selected in the squad despite not being the highest run scorer was his willingness to be coached and listen to the coaching.

It was left field given he wasn't averaging 40 for Queensland.

 

[MrPrez]

Anyway Marnus will probably average 45-odd by the end of his career. Good but not in the ATG conversation.

 

[mr_mister]

Anyway Marnus will probably average 45-odd by the end of his career. Good but not in the ATG conversation.

Big call.

 

[mr_mister]

No Peter Taylor is a perfect example of someone being plucked out of nowhere from an Australian context.

Second on the Shield runs list in the proceeding season is not nowhere

I wonder if cricket nuffies of the day, like CW tier nerds rated Taylor before the selection

 

[Flem274*]

Big call.

not really. people underestimate how much it takes to end your career averaging over 50, probably because of the relative glut of the 00s.

the vast majority of batsmen who play test cricket, even the good ones, don't average 50. it's really hard to do especially if you bat higher up like he does. there's a long list of world class players who didn't quite manage it.

labuschagne is probably the most immediately impressive new batsman i saw play last year and i rate him but i'm yet to be convinced he's a 50 player.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah, the odds are certainly stacked massively against anyone looking at that 50+ average with some degree of longevity.

KW is NZ's best ever and even he might lose a couple of points at the end and fall short.

Root's probably not going to get there either

Bad run of form, a bogey team, a certain weakness exposed, injuries, WWIII, anything could happen.

 

[MrPrez]

Yeah, Ross Taylor averages 46, VVS Laxman 46, Misbah ul Haq 46, Kevin Pietersen 47, Gibbs 42, Ganguly 42, etc.

That range of player is what I'd see Marnus finishing in. Certainly not bad company, but a rung below your Ponting/SRT/Lara/Kallis/Dravid/AB/Kohli/Smith etc range.

 

[Flem274*]

imzamam, sehwag and graeme smith were who i had in mind with that post as truly excellent players who didn't quite make it and it would be a massive call to even say marnus is gonna be better than those guys.