DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[Burgey]

127th (662 points)

Thank **** he missed out

 

[Slifer]

Weekes also suffered from a serious leg injury on his tour to Australia where he was basically batting on one leg. He understandably struggled in that series

Yeah i read that somewhere too about weekes but I couldn't remember where...

 

[Days of Grace]

I'm curious about kallicharan, amarnath and hazare, DoG. Thought they'd all sneak in due to one reason or another, especially amarnath because of the away record.

101-200. The bold indicates that I have finished all the opposition/pitch average adjustments. The non-bold is for players that have had their averages adjusted for era only.

101 AL Hassett 678
102 CG Macartney 678
103 AI Kallicharran 678
104 AJ Stewart 677
105 GM Turner 676
106 DL Haynes 674
107 BF Butcher 674
108 WH Ponsford 674
109 M Amarnath 674
110 ST Jayasuriya 673
111 M Leyland 672
112 RA Smith 671
113 IR Bell 671
114 W Bardsley 670
115 HH Gibbs 670
116 RG Sharma 669
117 Azhar Ali 669
118 WW Armstrong 668
119 RC Fredericks 667
120 IR Redpath 665
121 TW Hayward 665
122 ME Trescothick 665
123 CC Hunte 664
124 SC Ganguly 663
125 G Gambhir 663
126 DM Jones 662
127 IJL Trott 660
128 TM Dilshan 657
129 AW Greig 656
130 RM Cowper 655
131 SP Fleming 655
132 MP Vaughan 654
133 VS Hazare 653
134 AJ Strauss 652
135 AM Rahane 651
136 MS Atapattu 650
137 WM Woodfull 650
138 HP Tillakaratne 649
139 DJ Cullinan 648
140 Majid Khan 648
141 G Pullar 648
142 Shoaib Mohammad 647
143 KC Wessels 645
144 AC MacLaren 644
145 MJ Slater 643
146 Hon. FS Jackson 642
147 Saeed Ahmed 642
148 C Washbrook 642
149 AC Voges 641
150 GN Yallop 640
151 LD Chandimal 639
152 BB McCullum 639
153 KC Bland 639
154 NS Sidhu 639
155 C Kelleway 638
156 EAB Rowan 638
157 JB Stollmeyer 636
158 E Paynter 636
159 LG Rowe 636
160 Tamim Iqbal 635
161 DS Lehmann 634
162 MH Richardson 633
163 PR Umrigar 632
164 F du Plessis 632
165 MA Atherton 632
166 Asif Iqbal 632
167 RR Sarwan 631
168 PD Collingwood 631
169 DJ McGlew 631
170 HA Gomes 630
171 KWR Fletcher 626
172 S Dhawan 624
173 Mushtaq Mohammad 622
174 Shakib Al Hasan 622
175 CJL Rogers 621
176 Ijaz Ahmed 621
177 PH Parfitt 620
178 CL Hooper 618
179 AG Prince 618
180 AH Jones 617
181 FE Woolley 617
182 WJ Edrich 617
183 MJ Prior 616
184 Asad Shafiq 616
185 JG Wright 614
186 Mudassar Nazar 612
187 KJ Hughes 612
188 Q de Kock 612
189 VL Manjrekar 612
190 UT Khawaja 612
191 CC McDonald 612
192 Mohammad Hafeez 612
193 N Hussain 611
194 BL D'Oliveira 609
195 JC Adams 608
196 IT Botham 608
197 TWM Latham 608
198 BC Booth 607
199 Mominul Haque 606
200 MS Dhoni 605

 

[h_hurricane]

I am sure Rohit Sharma would have been outside 200 a couple of months back. A beast !

 

[Logan]

Great effort by DoG by posting the even 100-200 names.

 

[ataraxia]

I am sure Rohit Sharma would have been outside 200 a couple of months back. A beast !

He might be outside the top 200 after adjustments anyway.

 

[Burgey]

He’s a chance to fall outside it anyway if his test career so far is anything to go by

 

[h_hurricane]

He might be outside the top 200 after adjustments anyway.

I am not sure it will go down from 116 to outside 200. By the time these adjustments are done(it is a herculean exercise), the 2 test series in NZ might be over and he may have a different story to tell

I am not backing him by all means to succeed there but just being hopeful.

 

[stephen]

Is it bad that my defining memory of Chanderpaul was being bowled by Warne in the mid 90s?

 

[h_hurricane]

Is it bad that my defining memory of Chanderpaul was being bowled by Warne in the mid 90s?

He was a kid back then. Just like Warne's definings memory shouldn't be Ravi Shastri tonking him all over the ground, Chanders should be defined by something he did during his peak.

One fond innings of Shiv for me happened in an ODI chase in 2000s. Needed 10 of 2 with Vaas bowling and he pulled it off.

 

[sunilz]

So all time Asian XI according to DOG's rating system
Sehwag (Dravid in SEN countries)
Gavaskar
Sangakkara
Sachin
Kohli
Dravid ( Younis in SEN countries)
Dhoni
Imran
Waqar
Wasim( Kumble in Asia)
Muralitharan

 

[h_hurricane]

DoG should probably do a top 100 cricketers list by giving appropriate weightage to primary and secondary skill. This would give us an idea about how the cricketers stack up against the generally accepted ATG XIs.

@DoG, don't curse me for this suggestion.

 

[honestbharani]

Well, DoG won't.........

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

No.20

Shivnarine Chanderpaul (West Indies) 820

Quality Points: 724
Career Points: 96

Career/Runs: 1994-2015, 11867 (rank 5)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 50.12 (51.37) 41.34 (42.38) 40.62 (43.32) (rank 37)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2011-2014): 71.10 49.77 41.81 (rank 25)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 44.76 38.06 41.81 (rank 80)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 50.07 42.78 41.28 (rank 34)

A great servant for West Indies cricket, Shivnarine Chanderpaul played until the age of 40, an extremely rare thing in the 21st century. His long service is reflected in his being ranked 5th in career points. What is also apparent in the stats however is that Chanderpaul usually batted below no.4, especially during his peak years and thus accrued a lot of unbeaten innings as his teammates were got out around him. His peak RPI is only 70% of his peak average, which points to the fact that his runs did not have as much impact on the matches he played as a high average suggests. This, coupled with his low strike-rate, give weight to the accusations from some that Chanderpaul was somewhat selfish and didn't change gears when the situation demanded it. Or perhaps he was doing his best to dig in for his country. He also once scored 100 off 72 balls against Australia. This anomaly, together with his awkward-looking front-on stance, make Chanderpaul one of the most enigmatic batsman of the modern era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UPvQzTsq8M

Finally we get to the Tiger. Our Tiger. My whole childhood and later teenage to 20 years. A true legend. One of the best that Guyana has ever produced. From the slow defiant knocks, to those that are swashbuckling (Bourda, 2003)... to that knock in the 418 chase. He is just the man for the situation.

I happened to see this scorecard where he was on the verge of scoring two centuries in the same test at Lords:

Scorecard - 2004 Wisden Trophy - 22/07/2004

 

[honestbharani]

On Shiv, I definitely feel, like MoYoYo, he is quite a bit higher than I would have him. I have talked about my gripes with his approach to batting ,esp. post retirement of Lara but that is to concentrate on a few years of a vast career. Excellent player, amazing ability to hit or block any bowler out of the attack in almost all conditions.

 

[kyear2]

He was a kid back then. Just like Warne's definings memory shouldn't be Ravi Shastri tonking him all over the ground, Chanders should be defined by something he did during his peak.

One fond innings of Shiv for me happened in an ODI chase in 2000s. Needed 10 of 2 with Vaas bowling and he pulled it off.

Had forgotten about that

 

[kyear2]

Finally we get to the Tiger. Our Tiger. My whole childhood and later teenage to 20 years. A true legend. One of the best that Guyana has ever produced. From the slow defiant knocks, to those that are swashbuckling (Bourda, 2003)... to that knock in the 418 chase. He is just the man for the situation.

I happened to see this scorecard where he was on the verge of scoring two centuries in the same test at Lords:

Scorecard - 2004 Wisden Trophy - 22/07/2004

O honestly appreciated but never loved him. He did come across as selfish and self serving. Should have gone higher in the order and as his write up said, he didn't change gears in match as conditions or situations required.

But the worse was not taking the strike when batting with the tail, it's like he wanted to just get another not out.

But he was a servant of West Indies cricket and treasured his wicket.

 

[trundler]

Was he worse than Ken 'took 6 hours to ton up against not even grade standard opposition' Barrington and Geoff 'dropped after scoring his highest score for batting ridiculously selfishly' Boycott?

 

[Anil]

looks like very detailed analysis and obviously a lot of effort put in but chanderpaul as a top 20 player while chappell, pollock and border are not is tough to digest?!

 

[trundler]

Pollock and Chappell have higher quality points though. Border has equal. YK is ahead too.